Pat or Clint

Odd. I PAID someone $35/hour to tell me just that - and more! Every week for months. Pat could come here and read it for free. Lucky Pat!

ok well I meant that you already where good at those things but you where being called names and a bad rider

You know what if all we are going to do on here is fight then I will just cancel the thread or I will stop talking most likely cancel the thread

Who was saying that? If you had a trainer and they were telling you those things, maybe you weren't as good a rider as you thought.

I don't want a trainer to pat me on the head, coo at me, and tell me I'm a fantabulous rider if I suck eggs. They'd dang well better tell me what I need to do to improve, instead of kissing my tuckus and telling me I'm great when I'm not.

I KNOW!! Omgosh you guys don't get it do you I would like it if my trainer telling me that too but I am just trying to say pat is not a bad rider you guys just want to win everything don't you I mean seriously guys think maybe some people have opinions maybe just maybe but I yes you guys just want every one to think what your thinking right stop saying bad things about pat he is not a bad rider to you have to say bd things about everything he does if you was pulling on the reins hard how could he teach his horse to be riden without any reins huh? Think about that for a moment but you guys don't like to think ( I am not talking about you nokota) it seems everyone hate pat so I hate you now how did that make you feel I don't really hate you please stop saying bad things please at least some people don't say every thing bad about a rider who is a very good rider putting in reference nokota doesn't say anything bad about him because she knows who is a good rider and who is a bad rider

What the HECK are you going on about, niky? Where did I say anything about PP?

Oh, and please use punctuation. That big, run on, hysterical sentence was extremely difficult to read.

As far as Nokota knowing who's a good or bad rider just because she agrees with you, doesn't make it so.

What does winning have to do with anything? I haven't shown in many years. That doesn't mean I shouldn't strive to be the best rider I can, just because I'm no longer on the show circuit.

I don't drink anybody's Koolaid, but it's pretty obvious you do. It's also obvious you're very young. Once you're older and have more experience, maybe you'll see that PP isn't the end all-be all of horsedom. Or maybe you won't. Won't affect me at all, either way.

Thing is that HE IS NOT good at these things or riding. He needs to go back to riding 101 and learn all over again.

i wasn't talking about you, I really think your cool! Look earlier in the thread and you will see what I am mad about.

Okayyyy, Niky. You know the saying "With age comes wisdom"? A lot of these people have been riding/training horse since before you were even born. I'm sure they would have the ability to see a good vs. a bad rider any time of day. You posted on a public forum asking for people's opinions. They gave their opinions. If anyone is making a fuss or a big deal about things, it is you. Be mature, type rationally. Don't hit the send button before thinking because that can get you in trouble.

These people are giving you their opinions because you asked for it. One should be able to take that in, say "Okay, I understand and respect your opinion" and maybe even reflect upon it. Why are so many people saying he's a bad rider? Watch him, and I mean WATCH him. Watch the horse. A lot of people focus on the tricks that he can do, how desensitized his horses are, that they forget to look at how he rides. Compare how he rides to professional trainers that are winning world shows. Do you see a difference? I know I would. Don't just throw a hissy fit when someone doesn't agree with you. Reflect upon it and maybe you can learn something new.

Been riding and showing reining horses for almost 2 decades. When they play score that horse I am always with in a 1/2 point of the total score of each horse of what the judges give the horse. So that tells me that I know what I am looking at and for. What I see in PP riding is very very bad. That turn in the video that has been posted would not even mark a -1/2 more like a -1. So yes he has a bad rider with even worse hands.