Pat or Clint

A bit of a tanget here again, but:

You know, someone should make a video in which they are doing *exactly* the same movements in *exactly* the same order. Then it would be so easy to compare...

Well isn't that the way you normally determine if somebody's a good rider? By looking at how they ride?

First I am not putting myself out there as this great rider trainer like PP is. I am not selling DVDs and asking people for money for what I do on horses.

Next I will point out the trophy in my avatar. I will say again they do not give those out for participation. I have more of those then PP does. So what does that tell you??

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See here is the difference. You say you can not tell. The fact is that I CAN. I have proven it over and over again. I can call a Reining run with in a 1/2 point of what the judges give 95% of the time.

Also if you can not ride you can not win at the NRHA level not even in the green level. Your horse would never perform. I have seen NRHA Open World Champion horses purchased by green and rookie reiners and they can not get the horse to do anything.

You have to know how to ride to get a reiner even a push button reiner to work properly.

it tells me you are very competitive and you have apparently counted how many trovies he has. That doesn't tell me anything about you being a good rider I have a friend who is very good at riding and she doesn't have a single ribbon

I did that on one of these threads. I posted a video of PP doing spins then I posted a video of Shawn doing spins. So you could see what PP was doing and the correct way. Yet those who think PP is such a great rider past right over it.

ummmm I am not a western rider I am english

Sure it does. That trophy is an NRHA Putter. I have several of them. Pat has shown NRHA under the same rules and he has non.

If you can not ride you will not get a reining horse shown. It is just that simple. Go and watch and see. Or better yet go and ride a finished reiner and see how much you can get that horse to do. I am no where near Shawn or any open level rider but I can and do hold my own.

So you are judging something you know nothing about?

No because I have been at one of his clinics and I have met him in person

This sooooo absolutely correct! I've seen people with $$$ buy very nice reining horses (while I've been sitting in the corner drooling) and seen those riders struggle and struggle and struggle while confusing the heck out of the reining horse. To ride a reining horse and have it perform at an above average level requires active riding and active thinking and the ability to analyze everything you do on that horse. Not just sitting there hauling a horse around with the reins......