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    02-05-2014, 01:03 PM
  #1
Weanling
Quiet or Loud trainer

Do you find that trainers who have a very quiet way of being ( little to no talking, quieter speech, slower/less severe reactions, not as much show of affection (i.e don't pet, hug, kiss, etc. the horse for long or as often), and rely on their hands/body language/ect for discipline) have better or worse success than a louder, talkative trainer (who talks to the horse often, speaks loudly, uses vocal tones and volume for praise or discipline, shows the horse more affection, and reacts quicker/more severely)?

Have you found that one type or another gets quicker results from the horse? Or does one type work well with certain horses and not others?

I know alot depends on the horse, but I'm asking just in general
     
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    02-05-2014, 01:34 PM
  #2
Green Broke
As a general "stereotypical" answer --> I prefer a trainer that is quiet and can get the horse to respond to them with almost invisible cues.
     
    02-05-2014, 02:00 PM
  #3
Started
For me or the horse? If the trainer is riding my horse, then I would prefer someone that rides quietly and effectively as opposed to one using drastic actions. They DO need to be able and willing to escalate their actions if necessary. I don't mean beat or scream at the horse and don't use a drastic action first, but be willing to get after them if necessary.

Training the rider? I want someone that's able to verbally convey what they're trying to say from across the arena. You may be able to ride beautifully, but if you can't articulate what you're trying to say then it doesn't help much. And if you're soft-spoken and I can't hear what you're trying to say, then we're not going to get very far. But, I don't want to feel like I'm being shouted at throughout the lesson. Basically, ride quietly and effectively, but be able to amp up the volume if necessary and during a lesson.

Also, I wouldn't describe a "quiet" person as one that doesn't show affection. Someone may rub all over their horse, kiss them, show all kinds of affection (hopefully they wouldn't be doing tht to their student!) may also be a quiet, soft spoken rider and person.
     
    02-05-2014, 02:11 PM
  #4
Super Moderator
I have never seen a loud trainer that gets good results from a horse. The horses are always tense and worried in such a situation.
     
    02-21-2014, 05:04 PM
  #5
Weanling
In classical or traditional riding, the rider/trainer is always required to be as quiet as possible.

Horses prefer a quietly confident and disciplined handler. It is true they can cope with a great many different things, but a happy horse is one that is handled with respect.
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    02-21-2014, 05:18 PM
  #6
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If you're going to use verbal commands with a horse (which I do for on the ground training and in first stages under saddle you can't be talking to them all the time or they get confused. It has to be just the cues you're going to use and nothing more
If you use body language its much the same thing - you have to be very 'still' other than when you're using those body cues or the horse is constantly wondering if you want him to do something or not and will easily get stressed and start to overthink your every move
     
    02-21-2014, 06:36 PM
  #7
Yearling
I've had a loud trainer but she can be really quiet when needed with a more skittish animal. Honestly, I think she has and produces better horses than the quiet trainer I work with. She is very boisterous with an animal who is confident in her presence (or misbehaving) but is wise enough to tone it down when she first gets a horse or has a scared one. Heck, with my mare she screams shouts and cusses up one line and down the other and my girl throws her a dirty look. My gelding comes up for training and she's as quiet as a mouse with him. Her riding is very subtle and almost invisible cues believe it or not.

I don't think 'loud' or 'quiet' makes a better or worse trainer. I think it's the trainers actions that make a good horse. I've seen quiet trainers who beat the holy crap out of their horses and terrify them more than the loud ones. I worked with a quiet trainer once who was just like you described; his horses were scared to death of him. My trainer her horses adore her. I also think it has a lot to do with body language. For example: I can yell at my mare to stop doing something and she just looks at me, I can do the same with my gelding and he gives me the same look. My body posture throughout this is very non threatening despite my voice being loud. So I like the mix between trainers, sometimes horses need a loud reminder and sometimes they need a quiet one but a good trainer is one who can use them at the right time and place for the horse.

It's become a joke between trainers around here that we're some of the loudest trainers around because we'll be standing in a roundpen and see the horse go to unlock the gate and scream like we're being killed. The horses just eat their hay and enjoy the show.
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    02-21-2014, 08:12 PM
  #8
Yearling
Wish mine was a little louder -- hard to hear her over the creaking/squeeking of my saddle
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    02-21-2014, 08:55 PM
  #9
Started
I think a trainer that is quiet in their demeanor is better working with horse than the loud more abrupt. My trainer is quiet & slow working around horses . Able to read & communicate with them well. She definitely can become assertive/firm with them when necessary to gain respect,know cause my filly has seen that As a coach I have learned alot, but do find at lessons she can be too quiet at times, sometimes have trouble hearing her directions
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    02-22-2014, 02:38 AM
  #10
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuckDodgers    
For me or the horse? If the trainer is riding my horse, then I would prefer someone that rides quietly and effectively as opposed to one using drastic actions. They DO need to be able and willing to escalate their actions if necessary. I don't mean beat or scream at the horse and don't use a drastic action first, but be willing to get after them if necessary.

Training the rider? I want someone that's able to verbally convey what they're trying to say from across the arena. You may be able to ride beautifully, but if you can't articulate what you're trying to say then it doesn't help much. And if you're soft-spoken and I can't hear what you're trying to say, then we're not going to get very far. But, I don't want to feel like I'm being shouted at throughout the lesson. Basically, ride quietly and effectively, but be able to amp up the volume if necessary and during a lesson.

Also, I wouldn't describe a "quiet" person as one that doesn't show affection. Someone may rub all over their horse, kiss them, show all kinds of affection (hopefully they wouldn't be doing tht to their student!) may also be a quiet, soft spoken rider and person.
^Basically my opinion as well. Trainers who are just loud in general (both riding cues, actions, and voice) never seem to be very good. I think a trainer needs a sense of humor, though. Both with green horses and students. I can't stand trainers who get pissed at the slightest mistake. Ugh!
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