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        02-22-2014, 07:49 AM
      #11
    Trained
    Honestly it's whatever gets the job done.

    Personally, I can go all day at the barn without saying a word :) but I know others who are constantly talking to their horses.
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        02-22-2014, 09:44 AM
      #12
    Super Moderator
    There's a difference between loud and commanding
    I worked for a tiny elderly lady that could say 'jump' in such a way that even the barn rats would be asking 'How high?'
         
        02-22-2014, 10:12 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I have lessoned for many years, and with a whole variety of trainers.

    Frankly, I'm with anabel. I really like an authoritative figure in the ring. If they are capable trainers, and I am learning, I don't care how they get the job done. I've had reasonably quiet trainers, and I've had some that acted like they were ready to kill someone. XD
         
        03-11-2014, 11:22 PM
      #14
    Foal
    People who talk to horses, out loud, are doing it for their own benefit. It doesn't really affect the horse one way or the other. I know plenty of both types who are quite good, and I know plenty of both types who aren't very good at all. There is a lot to be said for the matching of the horse's personality to the rider's personality. No matter how talented or skilled a trainer, there's a certain type of horse that they click with and another type that they don't get along with nearly as well. That matters way more than talkativeness.
         
        03-12-2014, 06:29 PM
      #15
    Foal
    I have seen a quiet trainer work miracles with horses however, if a horse is aggressive or dangerous, I'd want a loud trainer to nip the behavior in the butt. It all depends on the horse, but I prefer a louder trainer to train ME so I can get things right
         
        03-12-2014, 08:22 PM
      #16
    Foal
    My trainer is hard of hearing and speaks quite loudly. So loudly that I've opted to take private lessons because I don't like being corrected quite so loudly in front of other riders. And yes, I need a lot of correction, so it seems like she is constantly yelling at me.

    But I always go back for more because she is awesome as an instructor! Tough as nails, but incredibly effective. Three lessons with her have brought me farther than three months at the facility where I previously boarded. My feeling: Go ahead and yell -- as long as it's instructive and not abusive.
         
        03-13-2014, 12:37 AM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Daniel--I'm not sure that's true. Unless I'm not understanding what you're saying? What about verbal cues?
         
        03-13-2014, 01:08 AM
      #18
    Foal
    Verbal cues are fine, and can be quite effective. I guess I was taking her to mean people who "talk" to horses. People talk for their own benefit. They are either self soothing, or explaining to an imagined, or real audience, but either way it's of no concern or benefit for the horse. Not good. Not bad. Not important either way. If you like to talk you way through things, fine. Just don't talk yourself into believing that it helps the horse. That being said, if talking keeps you calmer or more focused, then your perceived state will benefit the horse, but again, it's because of how it affects you, not the horse.
    Here's a good video on the topic.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v-mvgEt6MQ

    Everyone knows the the natural language of the horse is Portuguese anyways, so unless you're in Portugal or Brazil, it's just a waste...
         
        03-13-2014, 01:23 AM
      #19
    Foal
    If you want to learn how to be effective in your communication with horses, the best teacher is horses themselves. People tend to really want all of this stuff to be super gentle and smooth, but in reality the language of horses is not a vocal one at all, and it is absolutely full of threats and violence.
    If you don't believe me, let's put ten unfamiliar horses in a nice safe enclosed arena and place one bucket of feed in the center, and we'll come back tomorrow and check on them. You and I both know that they would have less hair on them tomorrow than when we turned them loose. THAT is the language of the horse.
    Not that I am suggesting that we need to beat on our horses to get things done. Merely that we be realistic about what horses really are. I don't ride unicorns, I ride real horses.
         
        03-13-2014, 02:19 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Daniel--How is the natural language of the horse Portuguese? If horses had any aptitude to actually learn language, it would be regional. It would be no different than any other animal, or human. No different than how German Shepherds are taught German commands in Academies, but can learn and respond just as well to English commands depending on where they are taught.

    I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the sound of a familiar voice can soothe a horse. If it is of no consequence, why do they 'listen' at all?

    I feel this is all pretty off topic anyway, since the question retained to a trainer speaking to a student, not a horse.
         

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