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post #11 of 21 Old 12-12-2012, 08:01 AM
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I own both books. For a training guide, is vastly better than "Downunder Horsemanship". The second book was mostly about how someone had a problem with their horse, and CA solved it for them. The first book outlines a series of things in a reasonable order that a person can use to teach their horse all the things a reasonably well-broke horse should know. It is very clearly written, very practical, and each step says what the horse needs to be able to do before going on. For example, in basic roundpen work, it explains how many times you should expect a horse to be able to do X before you try more advanced stuff.

The book explains that how fast you progress depends on you and your horse. My mare, for example, still has tons of stuff to learn - but she has always been a very spooky, tense mare. So right now, almost all of our work is on trails getting her to relax. But as she improves, I'm starting to go back and look at things I can work with her on in an arena to improve her balance and understanding, which will also help her become a better trail horse.

I've got a lot of horse books, but Sean Patrick's is easily my favorite book on training a horse. There are steps that I, as a beginner, needed help to do. That is OK. I hired a trainer to get us past those points. There are other steps that help me 'ride out' my horse, so she doesn't become a horse who just knows forward, left, right, and whoa!
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post #12 of 21 Old 12-12-2012, 02:53 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you bsms! That was really helpful. My mare is also very tense, not really spooky but wary of things and takes a lot of time to learn. That's one of the reasons why specifics such as "horse should be able to do X Y times" are really appealing!

I was/am a bit worried CA's books are not really helpful as a guide, that they are more of brochures/showcases of his method and philosophy. So that you need to get the DVDs for really getting into it. As an outsider's opinion there just seems to be so many of them that I'm not really enthusiastic to spend all that money nor spend the time going through it all. (By comparison: Countdown has only one AFAIK. )
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post #13 of 21 Old 12-12-2012, 03:37 PM
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Here is a screenshot of the table of contents from Amazon. It might give you an idea of how this book arranges things:

There are a lot of things I haven't tried yet with Mia. I like this because it gives me things I can work on when I think it is appropriate for her, and it isn't just "problem-solving". I was going to take a snapshot of my own copy, but...I can't find it. It wasn't a total loss, tho, since I found my second copy of "Commonsense Horsemanship". It is my second copy because I hadn't been able to find it for so long that I bought another copy last month. Yes, I need to thin out and sort my books!

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Haha, that sounds so like me bsms! I'm waiting for the day I have to move out to have more room for books (it's closer than you'd think). My book wishlist is 300 titles long. :blush:

By looking at that segment of the book, it seems really good. I think my pony is very good at lesson #12, but #11 will mean a lot of work. From the situation we are in right now, I can see a clear path what to do. I really hope the content is at a level with the feel the table of contents gives me (**** Amazon/Google Books for not giving a preview!). :)
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post #15 of 21 Old 12-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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Personally, I'm with Clinton Anderson.

His books are very good and have a lot of pictures of what hes describing. Hes a good trainer IMHO.

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Does CA's book have "troubleshooting" information? Some books tend to describe only how it should be done in an ideal case, but offer no help with corrections.
What about "your horse is ready to proceed when" information? That's also pretty important to me.
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I haven't personally read his books, but from what I've seen of his dvds, he's very clear about when your horse is ready to proceed from a certain lesson. Basically though, I've noticed that with each lesson, part of his advice is to continue to "refresh" your horse's memory on that topic as often as possible. *shrug* He does also have certain cues that he tells you to look for from your horse as to when they are grasping the concept... Is this what you are asking about? I have found that his mainstream books and dvds (that I've encountered, anyway) don't typically include "quick fixes" or troubleshooting. His methods are about working from the ground up, instilling respect and focus first, and then moving on to certain lessons.

As far as corrections go, he states many times in his dvds that he tries to work with a horse that will NOT give him the "ideal" situation... Some trainers take a gentle, or already trained horse to show their methods on... Not Clinton. He takes a horse that is likely to act up or not react in the way that he/she should so that he can show you how to correct such behavior. I found that to be especially the case in his "colt starting" and "foal training" series. There is also a dvd set of his titled "Correcting Problems on the Trail." Not sure if that would help or not, as I see you want the information particularly for "everyday petting and (western) shows"... Perhaps it would help in trail comps?

Hope this helps... Maybe someone else can better answer your question.

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post #18 of 21 Old 12-18-2012, 07:35 AM
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Who is Sean Patrick? Never heard of him in Europe...

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post #19 of 21 Old 12-18-2012, 09:57 AM
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Clinton Anderson all the way. I've read and watched Sean Patrick's dvd and book... It kinda made me irritated at some of the stuff he did... Like continual clucking to get the horse to move off of pressure. Clinton Anderson clucks, hits the ground, then whacks the horse if he doesn't move off of pressure.

He also has a ton of troubleshooting tips etc.

Just my 2 cents
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post #20 of 21 Old 12-31-2012, 04:25 PM
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I just received the CA book for Christmas from my MIL, which was sweet. I just read it through, and I really liked it. It has a series of groundwork exercises, and then in saddle exercises with clear explanations of what the goal and purpose of the exercise is. I liked that the book is written around both an English and Western horse owners who work through the book as examples for the pictures. They give their input of what worked for them with the exercise and also what was tricky about it and what change they saw in their horses. There is also a section with "What the trainer might be doing wrong." and also, "What the horse might be doing wrong" which I thought was great for figuring out if it is me or the horse screwing things up and how to fix those issues.

It is built like building blocks and even says which exercises you should have mastered before attempting the next step.

I'm not that familiar with CA and I didn't find the book cloying, arrogant, or preachy. I thought it was well written, sensible advice that is easy to follow, and clearly laid out basic respect and control exercises laid out in a way that is easy to reference and digest.

I hope that helps.
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