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post #1 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
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Should I pay my trainer?

Well I found a trainer for my Arabian mare. She's broke to ride but bc I haven't rode her much in several years she's became quite onary. She started bucking, nothing hard though and she's very much pasture spoiled. She kicks, but has since I got her. The lady told me 400 for 30 days and she'd have her tuned up and fix her problem loading in a trailer. Well I signed liability waiver and paid half the 22 of October and she was to start the 24th. Well due to issues on both of us, she didn't begin til November 2. Yesterday she text and said she needed the other half by next week bc it will be the last week. Would have been this week but with the holidays, she didn't come out. She has her own facility about 100 miles from me. She does boarding and travels to train. My horse doesn't load so she came to me. I told her I was under the impression that it would be 30 days for training bc she said 30 days for 400 dollars. Now she's telling me that bc it's the travel package and she has to ride at her facility also, she does 4 days a week for 4 weeks but thought about doing a couple extra days. But it's like that bc she doesn't have time to travel and train at home. I told it should have been stated that it's 400 for 18 days (by the time she ends next week and that's pushung it) rather than telling me 400 for 30 days. Should I hold the other half until she does 30 days? I don't know how to handle this. She hasn't started riding or the loading training yet, that starts next week, her last week. I don't see her being able to get her kinks worked out just in the riding, in 4 days much less the trailer loading (which doesn't have to be done, but she said she would have it fixed and without me asking her..
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post #2 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 02:10 AM
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most training sold by the month (30 days-) usually isn't actually 30 training sessions. rather it is the horse is at their facility for 30 days and gets training rides a set number of times per week. it might BE daily, if that is stated, or more likely 3 days a week or ? something arranged with owner.

ask her how many rides she gives clients horses who reside at her facility.

I would insist, in any case, that she make up for time not spennt on your mare due to the holidays.
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post #3 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 02:29 AM
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I wrote a response on your other post that was completely deleted with no warning before I clicked sense so I lost the post....more then a little frustrating.

I agree that what your trainer was expecting is completely standard and unfortunately if you were expecting otherwise it's something that should have been spelled out beforehand in a contract, you can't just make up rules afterwards and again, her expectations are standard practice.

I would never consider not paying proper in all but the most extreme circumstances, it makes you into the bad guy and burns bridges.

I would sit down and talk to her about this, she may be willing to work with you if you approach it right.
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post #4 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 02:48 AM
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Well, what do you expect?

If she came 30 times then all she would be getting would be just over $13 a time, not enough to cover her gas with a 200mile round drive. Even just doing 18 days that is only $22 a time.

I had a set price for horses coming in to me. Rarely did I ever go out to train with horses like yours if I did then travel, gas and my time were charged. Horses were worked six days a week.

Where this trainer was wrong is not stating how many times they would come out. Work it out - time travelling 3 hours at $25 per hour = $75 time at facility working horse has to be worth another $25 so that would be $100 a time.

I would have worked on the loading, got the horse to my facility and worked it from there. As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.

Pay her for the remaining time, get the horse in the trailer and take her to someone closer where you can go see how they are working with the horse.
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Moderator's note:
@Yogiwick : I am sorry that happened to you. what occured was that the OP had 2 identical threads started. I saw this , checked that NEITHER had any responses posted to it, and went through the process of reporting the duplicate, and then choosing one to remove. in the several minutes of doing this, you must have actually hit the 'post' button, (which I could not see your post actually come up when I was in the process of deleting that thread), so you posted to a thread that was in the process of being removed.
in the 5 years that I have been moderating, this is the first time this has occured.
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post #6 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 03:41 AM
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WalkingAround, the only time I've seen something like this happen the trainer ended up getting paid anyway. You don't say what your trainer has been working on for the days that she has been there. I only know of one trainer here that will travel to a horse to work with it and he charges $50 to $75, plus mileage per visit. And I've seen a trainer come out to the client's house and spend the afternoon working with the horse to load then hauling her back to his place for training. IMO that was the more professional way to go about it.

It seems to me that the most you can do is tell her you misunderstood. You thought that you'd get 30 days of training. But that's really not standard. Even if a horse is at the trainers facility she may not get actual riding every single day. Perhaps this trainer will work with you a little and give you a few extra days. But, I agree that the terms of the agreement should have been spelled out in writing more clearly.
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I've never hired a trainer, I always do it myself, but due to not having time bc I work 2 jobs aND go to school. This is my last semester and I plan to move my horse closer to me. She's ab 45 mins away now. And I dont think anything should be left for assumption when someone says 30 days. It should have been made clear if that is not what she meant. How else is someone supposed to take "I'll do the training for 30 days"? I would never not pay her, I just meant in terms of days work. And though she is 100 miles from my horse, she has been staying with a friend for free 15 miles from her. And had price for milage been an issue, I would have gladly given her more. That was her contract price. I feel I'm getting the short end of the stick because she did not care to share that 30 days didn't actually mean 30 days. Her money made va gas money spent isn't my problem, bc like I stated, I a would have gladly paid more. And if I actually had time to work on her loading problem... I wouldn't need a trainer. I also do not see how she is going to fix that and her bucking issues is in 4 days...
I'm frustrated bc what I was explained in terms of price, days of training and what that consists of, I feel, doesn't match the quality of what I'm receiving. Now had it been said that she could improve her usdues, but to clear them would take more than 30, and such.. I wouldn't be upset. I told her what I understood from our agreement vs what I'm getting, and how I felt it should have been clearly stated before. She did not respond. Am I wrong for my frustrations?
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Also, I live in a remote place regardless of who I take her too its going to be at lead 80-100 mIles away. I've paid her 200. I was speaking specifically about with hiding the other 200 until our agreement is met, agreement least part of it. She rides without bucking, or loads or does 30 whole days.. only bc she don't specify that agreement and knew I had no knowledge of how trainers generally operate. I'm in MS and people usually do everything a little different here than most places, from what I've seen anyhow.
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Have any of her issues been resolved?
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post #10 of 59 Old 11-27-2016, 04:21 AM Thread Starter
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I haven't ridden her, neither has the trainer. That begins next week, her last week. However I can now touch her front leg that she hates me to mess with, that was done in the first 2 days. And she said she messed with her back legs, trying to fix the kicking, but I haven't tried her on that yet. But I had high hopes seeing that progress in 2 days, but I'm worried as the end approaches. I wanted the bucking to stop. It's not hard or violent, she started doing it several months back and she'll buck 5-7 different times during the first 15 mins or so of riding and she's done. I just don't want her doing that.
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