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    08-06-2013, 04:31 PM
  #41
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I know the question wasn't directed to me, however....
I do not have tens of thousands laying around for complicated surgeries, at that point I would choose to euth my horse.

However, if someone owns several studs, they should have the money to geld. And as they own a few of them, the chances of having at least one horse with a retained testicle is increased. It's not that rare of an issue.
It's really none of anyone business what she does with her horses or if she gelds them or not. She asked about one particular stallion. Gelding was suggested and she explained why he is not cut. Implying she can't take care of her animals is out of line.
     
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    08-06-2013, 05:45 PM
  #42
Foal
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Originally Posted by palogal    
It's really none of anyone's business what you do with your horses or how many studs you have. Don't feel the need to justify yourself.
Your question was about this particular horse. There are just some people that have to jump on the 'geld' bandwagon every time they see a thread that says "stud".
Thank you for being so kind. I just wish they'd understand how hard I am trying to help him. It seems all they want to do is make me out to be a bad person.
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    08-06-2013, 06:04 PM
  #43
Started
So many times it is difficult to see a situation from an initial post. We had no clue how much experience the owner had for starters. I'm sorry to say it did sound like the OP was a novice. Novices and stallions...not a good mix.
As it turns out, she does have experience, has a young horse that came with numerous issues and still needs a lot of work, has a trainer, and the horse does have a medical condition. All of this equals not an easy job.
I hope all turns out well for the OP and the horse. Stay safe!
     
    08-06-2013, 07:06 PM
  #44
Yearling
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Originally Posted by pheonix    
Thank you for being so kind. I just wish they'd understand how hard I am trying to help him. It seems all they want to do is make me out to be a bad person.

You're fine. Stay off of him until you can get him cut, just to take that variable out of the equation. Gelding does make a huge change in how he sees the world, and it may take enough of the edge off of him that you won't have such a challenge on your hands.
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    08-06-2013, 09:16 PM
  #45
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I agree with the others get him gelded, give him time to settle and then start working on this issue. It does sound like an exposure issue; however, an exposure issue plus hormones is going to create a wreak. That said Cryptorchidism (retained testicle) is a larger and more expensive surgery. Its like half castration half scavenger hunt! That said, I would not personally buy a horse that was a crypt because that's going to cost more to fix than he might be worth. I would try to have him gelded before selling him and factor that into his price point. In many species retained testes are genetically linked and increase the risk of testicular cancer. The retained testicle is infertile (due to body temp); however, they only need one sperm to find the egg. Which means that even if he did get loose and bred a mare the owner would probably be pretty ticked. It would basically be giving them a foal that could cost just as much to geld as this guy would.
     
    08-06-2013, 10:13 PM
  #46
Green Broke
I had a colt w/a retained testicle-it did cost a little more, but I was lucky to be in So. Cal. & just across the river from Norco. My husband & I ponied him there & the next day after his surgery, brought him home in a trailer. Unfortunately, he was still kind of crazy, & could not be trusted-so we made a hard decision & sent him over the Rainbow Bridge. Sometimes, as a breeder, or owner, you have to make things right. I hope the OP has better results. I've owned 3 breeding stallions throughout my life, but those days are over for me, now it's just pleasure riding.
     
    08-06-2013, 10:16 PM
  #47
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I, personally, owned a mini stud for all of a week and a half and man was he WILD. Neglected and more or less unhandled, after gelding the issues he had were decreased enough that good handling 'got through' to him. It sounds like the horse on your hands is fairly sensible, and I don't doubt that through gelding you'll see SOME change in his behaviour. Obviously there will still be issues, it isn't a 'quick fix' but it might make (as others have already said) it easier to tackle the issue at hand.
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    08-06-2013, 11:00 PM
  #48
Showing
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Perhaps he would make a great gelding. Is there a reason he is still a stud?
You stole the words out of my mouth. It sounds to me like he has a herding issue. I bet you he has never been asked to work respectfully in an arena full of horses.
     
    08-06-2013, 11:41 PM
  #49
Showing
I'm on board with those that say it won't be fixed by simply gelding.

OP this horse has no idea what is going on when he sees other horses run because it's not something he usually sees in his riding career.

When horses are out in a field together, some have roles of protecting the rest of herd. When one runs, no questions are asked.. they usually all run as they are following that horse's leadership. Also horses run and buck around to play with one another.

Now take this into the arena and you have a horse that is confused as to why some are running and some aren't.

It's all about exposure. My horse used to lose his noodle when others would be cantering or trotting or jumping around him. Now, that he's been exposed to it, he's fine. He knows it's nothing to be afraid of and that I'll look after him.

Your stallion is still green and inexperienced. The best thing to do would be to start exposing him to situations with noise, other horses, weird sights, etc and curb his reactions by remaining his leader and re-directing his energy.

Stud or not, he needs to respect you.
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    08-07-2013, 05:19 AM
  #50
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Op dose not intend to keep the horses studs. ANYONE who has go ten a young colt has had a 'stud' until it was able to be gelded. OP was not planning on a retained testie, so she had no way to plan on one. And its no ones business if she has studs and what she dose with them. She was asking a genuine question.
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