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post #21 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by franknbeans View Post
I have to say-I am in total agreement…go search-I will also check with those I know there, altho that is not a ton. Time to take your checkbook (and your horse) elsewhere. This lady has issues.

Do you have any written contract with her? If so, that will dictate notice. But, if you don't-I would be out the door with out it. You are simply taking her up on her threat.

Contacting someone I know just south of you-he does trucking too….and may know someone. Hang in.
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post #22 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 04:17 PM
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I do the "this is what is offered and what I recommend, but you are free to provide what you would like as far as food, chiro, farrier, etc.."
The ONLY exception is if the horse becomes dangerous to ride or handle because of the feeding program, or if the horse is dropping weight or getting fat on the amount of food. The horses health and my safety are my top priorities.
Same with tack, etc.. I have one horse I ride, and unfortunately the owner is now onto purchasing saddle number 3 because they will fit the horse for a while, and then they start hurting him. Luckily she is on board, but I can understand where that would be tough.
Some things like massage, clipping, showing, etc.. will cost extra as well.

The way I see it is you are paying the trainer for their services and expertise. It is worth it to listen to their opinion, but it is more important that your ideas on horse care are aligned with theirs and they treat you as the client and allow you to have an opinion. Both people in the relationnship deserve respect. If I had an owner telling me what to feed the horse and it's a hot horse and it's 10lbs of sweet feed a day - we are going to have an issue.
I don't know both sides of the story here, so can't pass judgement.
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post #23 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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So far I've been TOLD to switch my horses diet, I'll be showing hunt seat even though I only want to do western pleasure and SMS, and that my horse will be put on the depo shot, and last but not least her boyfriend of one month will be training my horse next month because he's stronger in the legs. I asked his experience and that's what set her off that I'm not suppose to question her and I pay her to make these choices. So it's come to the point where owning my horse isn't even enjoyable and I've had enough. I'm letting her finish these next couple weeks than I'm gonna look into someone else and possibly someWHERE else to board seeing as she's the type who will make it akward if I stay.
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post #24 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 04:33 PM
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With all the trainers I have worked for (and clients that I have taken on) the owner usually gets a say in feed. If for instance they feed something other than what we do than we use their feed/supplements. If they want to switch to what we use than we discuss that; most know however, that if they don't specify their horse is getting what we feed typically because we aren't mind readers. As for the actual training it depends on what the owner wants. If they want the horse to be full out broke they sign a contract that says that it will take an unknown amount of time to fully break their horse into something that's 'complete'. They have the option to leave whenever and pay monthly but they realize that they're not going to have a fully broke horse in six months.

If it's a tune up or just get them green for us thing than we put all we can into the horse while it's with us and the owner takes it back. We usually start ALL horses western and then go from there and make discipline suggestions based on what the horse likes to do. (I.E. we had a horse come in for saddleseat training and it liked doing H/J better so we talked to the owner and trained it for H/J instead of her original discipline.)

Other than that the owners realize that stuff like emergency medical treatment, wormer, farrier and being outside are all stuff that we will not consult on because it's for the benefit and health of the horse. All the horses get wormed and their feet done religiously by a farrier at the owners expense (they can chose who does their horses they just need done!).

Sounds like your trainers got a bit controlling.
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post #25 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JJeffords3707 View Post
She pretty much already told me I'm not suppose to questions her and if I do it means I don't trust her and threatened me to find a new trainer and hopefully they will fix my confidence. I told her at our last meeting I feel out of control and there's things I do and don't want to do with her, she kept going on about how her clients pay her to make these decisions and I need more trust and if I can't "trust" her to move on.
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Then if what you are saying is really going on....then your trainer has an ego problem and you need to switch, and find a trainer who discusses their opinion with you before just doing things because they want to.

My trainer is like that....been with him for 15 years. We talk almost on a daily basis because we are also extremely good friends (as a matter of fact, I just got off the phone with him!). If he thinks my horses could benefit from a supplement, he'll call me and we'll talk. If he's going to change feed, farrier or vet...he lets me know. He and I have the same thoughts on feed, so there is no conflict. We maintain an open dialogue constantly. We always try and plan out the shows we go to. Because we show AQHA and travel out of state, we pick and choose the best shows. He puts it out there to all his clients. If he has 1 client who wants to go to an out of state show, he'll do it....but iit's not as cost effective for the client for him to haul one horse to a show, so that rarely happens. I decide what shows I want to do....not him.
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post #26 of 31 Old 02-19-2014, 07:31 PM
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Check out other trainers at other stables and make notes on each. The next time you trainer says that if you don't trust her you should get another trainer, tell her you have taken her advise to heart and have found a place at X barn. You don't advance when you can't have a discussion with your trainer. Perhaps it is time to move your horse. And don't feel guilty about it. It's a business arrangement only. You just happened to know her.
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post #27 of 31 Old 02-20-2014, 10:09 AM
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A horse in training still belongs to his owner. I can suggest how to feed etc but in the end I don't pay the bills. I will be insistent if it's something that threatens the health of the a chiro if the horse is hurt or a vet if he's sick. But even then it's the choice of the owner and I will document when I advise care and my suggestion is dismissed for liability reasons.

If you're not comfortable with her, it's time for a new trainer. It may well be a trust issue - but that's not necessarily your fault. If you go to another trainer and run into the same issues, or 2 other trainers, then it may be you :) but if it were me, I would get a second opinion.
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post #28 of 31 Old 02-20-2014, 11:31 AM
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Really, it varies from trainer to trainer. Some will only give suggestions as to what discipline you should show and what you should feed if you ask, and others are a bit more... opinionated. Really, it comes down to what you're comfortable with.

Personally, so long as I am comfortable with their level of expertise (and for the price we all pay, it had better be high! xD), and after a little research on my own, I'm usually pretty happy to do whatever a trainer says.

That said (and as others have said above) this is /your/ horse! I would look for another trainer, as you don't sound happy.
And threatening you to find another trainer if you don't listen to her advice? That just sounds childish...

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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post #29 of 31 Old 02-20-2014, 02:20 PM
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she sounds like a total nut-job

run hard and fast, don't look back

tell her not to let the doorknob hit her on the way out
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post #30 of 31 Old 02-21-2014, 01:05 PM
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A trainer IS responsible for the outcome of training, so in some ways they need to control feeding,etc. BUT they are also 'training for purpose' if you want to show in x class, the horse should be worked toward that end, not y.

The fact she wants to put someone else on, and get paid for their training...that is wrong. Depo??? Why. I would take the horse out of training IMMEDIATELY. There is something really wrong if the rider has to be 'stronger' and the horse needs hormones to 'go'.

Are you WATCHING the work every day? I would, IMMEDIATELY.

It is the trainer's job to DISCUSS the REASONS for xyz, to EDUCATE the owner/student. Trust is REASONED, not BLIND.
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