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    12-30-2013, 06:06 AM
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What do you guys think

What do you guys think of this? To me personally it looks like abuse, but I thought I'd just ask
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    12-30-2013, 06:15 AM
So I didn't watch all of it. But I got right down pissed off at 5:45 where she says "He's a very nasty horse"

Umm.. Some guy he doesn't know is continuously yanking on his head and pulling it down. You would be pissed off too. I'm assuming he's doing this to show the horse, "hey this is what's going to happen if you pull back" and I'm also guessing he's pushing on his body to see what the horses reaction is. And it's in the snow, on a slight slope. Dangerous much?

I'm just really unhappy. Could they not put off the farrier for another month and trained this guy a bit. If a horse doesn't understand, what do you expect. Poor horse.
    12-30-2013, 06:23 AM
Well, since we didn't see any dangerous behavior to start, I don't know why they began with aggressive methods. It might be that they have seen what the horse does first but the guy holding him in the beginning made it sound like he picks up the front but simply didn't try the back.

The way this video is shot it is as though they are trying to fight with the horse. I tend to not like fighting. I will if needed but they are setting this horse up to be defensive. Why wouldn't the horse try to kick the guy, he started with aggressive behavior toward the horse the second he met him and kept the pressure on.

I think there are a lot better ways to get that job done. The way they did it, risked the health of the horse and someone getting kicked but good. Also, by rough handling him, they are not teaching him to trust and be comfortable with handling, they are teaching him people are aggressive. That could end poorly.

There are way too many videos on youtube of people using flooding techniques, I think people think it is the only way to get the job done. I find that very sad. I think this horse would have responded better to some steady, calm, fair ground work. Who wouldn't?
    12-30-2013, 06:27 AM
I watched all of it. It was very crude, once he started he didn't stop at all. Maybe I'm bleeding heart, but I would have given the horse a break once he held his leg up. Given a good pat and told him he was good. That is a lot for a horse in one session.

I'm REALLY hoping that horse was a rescue and that's why he's never had his feet picked up. There is no excuse for not basic training. Even a pasture puff, basic manners and training need to be done.

I agree with Inga. We don't know. But that guy was really rough.
    12-30-2013, 06:34 AM
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I kind of lost it when he tied the horse up and started using the plastic bag on it... It's like he's saying "I don't care if you're scared, I'm the boss and you're not going to get away. You're going to take this!"
    12-30-2013, 06:36 AM
Originally Posted by thetempest89    
I agree with Inga. We don't know. But that guy was really rough.
But the horses feet didn't look like he was in immediate need of critical attention. Someone must have trimmed the horse. The only acting out I saw from the horse was when he was being treated aggressively. I suspect they could have gone about this in a much better way without incident. There are many people that jump into the most aggressive/assertive manner of training right away or at the first sign of hesitation on the horses part. Man handling is not my favorite way of getting a job done. Also, the horse is 10... I wonder why they need to suddenly toss shoes on him. I didn't see a mean horse in this video. I saw a horse that didn't know what was expected of him. I always find that sad so... add me to the bleeding heart club.
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    12-30-2013, 03:33 PM
This is about as far as I got into the video.

Camera Lady: "Have you ever seen him pull back?"

Owner: "I've never seen him pull back."

Other guy: "I've designed this for horses who pull back."

    12-30-2013, 03:40 PM
I can't even watch this.
    12-30-2013, 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by EliRose    
This is about as far as I got into the video.

Camera Lady: "Have you ever seen him pull back?"

Owner: "I've never seen him pull back."

Other guy: "I've designed this for horses who pull back."

No kidding. I too thought ??? The horse seemed to be a relatively willing horse based on what was shown. The fact that the horse tried to nail the jerk that was man handling him at that point doesn't show me he is mean. I just find these types of "handlers" to be a bit sickening really. I felt bad for the horse for the most part and when a human is looking at something like that and wondering... "what is he asking the horse to do?" Then how in the world is the horse supposed to know? The owner shouldn't have let anyone like that come and treat their horse in such a manner. He obviously wasn't concerned with doing a good job of shoeing either based on what I saw.
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    12-30-2013, 05:29 PM
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I think the biggest question in this is, how did any of what he did before he touched his feet even have anything to do with teaching it to accept being shod?
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