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        12-30-2013, 04:33 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I didn't watch much of it because of what happens have been made, but it is obvious the horse is unsettled from the get go of the video.

    Typical "manly man" approach of "You are GOING to listen to me, regardless of how you react." It's obvious being aggressive doesn't fix this problem and his approach only exacerbates the problem.
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        12-30-2013, 04:45 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    That was supposed to say "What comments have already been made."

    TV + typing = fail.
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        12-30-2013, 04:52 PM
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    That was supposed to say "What comments have already been made."

    TV + typing = fail.
    Lol xD
    I also noticed that on that particular video comments are not allowed on youtube
         
        12-30-2013, 05:12 PM
      #14
    Trained
    If you look on youtube, this lady and this hispanic man have several videos on using this halter to teach a horse…______ (fill in the blank) I only watched a couple, and am not a fan. Some allow comments, some do not. Definitely NOT something I would ever use. It teaches the horse nothing, IMO. I watched the trailer loading one-the poor mare was trying with her owner, and probably would have been fine given time. It is also amazing the guy doesn't get himself killed. I am surprised the horse doesn't jump right on top of him. Here is the link. SHe has 14 videos. UGH.

         
        12-30-2013, 05:16 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Here is her "product". THey tie the horse so unbelievably tight, it cannot move. Literally. Again-not sure how this teaches the horse ANYTHING.

    Sierra Horse Halter « PFL Inc.
         
        12-30-2013, 06:30 PM
      #16
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    If you look on youtube, this lady and this hispanic man have several videos on using this halter to teach a horse…______ (fill in the blank) I only watched a couple, and am not a fan. Some allow comments, some do not. Definitely NOT something I would ever use. It teaches the horse nothing, IMO. I watched the trailer loading one-the poor mare was trying with her owner, and probably would have been fine given time. It is also amazing the guy doesn't get himself killed. I am surprised the horse doesn't jump right on top of him.

    This is my problem with any of these "gimmicks" that people try to sell as the be all and end all of horse fixes. They do not teach the horse anything and do not allow the horse to bond with and learn to trust it's person. I have had horses that I believe I could do most anything with. I didn't force things, I gave them time to understand what I was asking. Once you have that bond, the horse will do anything for you. Trying to force a large animal to do something generally has the opposite effect.

    I wouldn't wish anyone to get killed but... I wish I could have been the horse in the first video with that guy. I wouldn't have missed when I tried to kick at him. Just enough to give him something to think about. Oh, I hope that didn't sound evil.
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        12-30-2013, 07:41 PM
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    This is my problem with any of these "gimmicks" that people try to sell as the be all and end all of horse fixes. They do not teach the horse anything and do not allow the horse to bond with and learn to trust it's person. I have had horses that I believe I could do most anything with. I didn't force things, I gave them time to understand what I was asking. Once you have that bond, the horse will do anything for you. Trying to force a large animal to do something generally has the opposite effect.

    I wouldn't wish anyone to get killed but... I wish I could have been the horse in the first video with that guy. I wouldn't have missed when I tried to kick at him. Just enough to give him something to think about. Oh, I hope that didn't sound evil.
    I don't think it's evil at all, at least not your thoughts lol. First time I saw it I wished the horse had kicked him in the head
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        12-30-2013, 08:33 PM
      #18
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Nokotaheaven    
    I don't think it's evil at all, at least not your thoughts lol. First time I saw it I wished the horse had kicked him in the head
    My thoughts exactly!!
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        12-30-2013, 10:22 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Well, I might get some flak for this comment, but I totally understood what he was doing. When I was 12 I got my first horse and -unbeknownst to me- she was a monster when it came to having her feet touched. Her hooves were absolutely awful when we got her so one of the first things we did was have a farrier come out. She beat him up pretty good, but I learned a lot that day. Being a farrier is a dangerous job because it doesn't matter what a horse's manners are like: the hooves still have to be taken care of. Watching the video I saw a highly reactive and un-trained horse acting very similar to mine. Some of you said that the horse was reacting to someone new asking it strange things, but I don't think that's an excuse. The horse obviously had been allowed to get away with behaving in this way. While I wouldn't have gone about it the same way this farrier had, I also understand that for whatever reason these people have not put time into this horse yet, but still expected him to be shod. The farrier has to do what should have been done slowly over the course of several weeks -or months- in a single day. So, yeah, it's not pretty and gentle, but it gets the job done without hurting the horse.

    In response to the OP, who was asking how what he was doing applied to shoeing: maybe I can help explain. When he was pushing against the horse he was measuring how it reacted to pressure. In order to shoe it, he would have to be in close vicinity of the animal's hooves, and he needed to know how it would respond. The bag flapping was a safe way to desensitize it to the contact and noise/movement while staying out of range of the hooves. As the person in the video said: "He will kick you." It was the same with him patting the horse all over and jumping up and down around it. The horse needed to be less reactive before he could safely even think about picking up the hooves and shoeing them. He ran the stick down the legs to get the horse used to something touching them, and so that later he could pick the leg up get the hoof without the horse freaking out. Even though I wouldn't use his methods, I can still respect them. He shoes the horse and in the end the animal walked off calmly with neither of them being hurt.

    All I can add is that I really hope those people work with that horse a whole lot so that the next trip will be less eventful.
         
        12-30-2013, 10:39 PM
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    Well, I might get some flak for this comment, but I totally understood what he was doing. When I was 12 I got my first horse and -unbeknownst to me- she was a monster when it came to having her feet touched. Her hooves were absolutely awful when we got her so one of the first things we did was have a farrier come out. She beat him up pretty good, but I learned a lot that day. Being a farrier is a dangerous job because it doesn't matter what a horse's manners are like: the hooves still have to be taken care of. Watching the video I saw a highly reactive and un-trained horse acting very similar to mine. Some of you said that the horse was reacting to someone new asking it strange things, but I don't think that's an excuse. The horse obviously had been allowed to get away with behaving in this way. While I wouldn't have gone about it the same way this farrier had, I also understand that for whatever reason these people have not put time into this horse yet, but still expected him to be shod. The farrier has to do what should have been done slowly over the course of several weeks -or months- in a single day. So, yeah, it's not pretty and gentle, but it gets the job done without hurting the horse.

    In response to the OP, who was asking how what he was doing applied to shoeing: maybe I can help explain. When he was pushing against the horse he was measuring how it reacted to pressure. In order to shoe it, he would have to be in close vicinity of the animal's hooves, and he needed to know how it would respond. The bag flapping was a safe way to desensitize it to the contact and noise/movement while staying out of range of the hooves. As the person in the video said: "He will kick you." It was the same with him patting the horse all over and jumping up and down around it. The horse needed to be less reactive before he could safely even think about picking up the hooves and shoeing them. He ran the stick down the legs to get the horse used to something touching them, and so that later he could pick the leg up get the hoof without the horse freaking out. Even though I wouldn't use his methods, I can still respect them. He shoes the horse and in the end the animal walked off calmly with neither of them being hurt.

    All I can add is that I really hope those people work with that horse a whole lot so that the next trip will be less eventful.
    I have done everything he did in the video but in a way different method. Never once have I had a horse even think about kicking me for it. And to put it into perspective, I'd kick someone too if they tied me to a post and poured a bucket of spiders on me.
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