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        12-31-2013, 12:00 AM
      #21
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    While I didn't watch the whole thing, I saw enough It seemed as though he was just trying to piss off the horse and get a reaction. The guy said he WOULD pick up his front feet, so why go through everything they did? Start with what they can do and go from there. "Training" like this makes me sick.
         
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        12-31-2013, 12:02 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    This is not the way you get a horse used to being trimmed or shod. He never gives the horse any release. The guy is constantly nagging him and when the horse stands still he keeps it up. What is the point in tying a horse up then constantly tugging on the rope until it reacts.
    Uggh -just makes me angry.
         
        01-04-2014, 07:01 AM
      #23
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    I cannot say that I saw anything abusive. I cannot say it is how I would go about things but, when called in to someone's property to deal with a problem then often methods different to choice have to be used to get anywhere.

    The horse was 12 years old, had never had its back feet picked up. From his reaction to kick he was obviously use to getting his own way, compliant when it suited as in standing nicely at the start.

    All this man did was to show the horse that no matter what it did the handler was in charge. The horse no longer had its own way. Nothing terrible happened to it, no harm was done, the animal threw a few hissy fits and when that didn't work it was willing to be submissive and have its back feet handled.

    Not all horses will go along with the 'softly softly' touch. They will to a point and then rebel often leading to nasty results for the handler.
         
        01-04-2014, 11:22 AM
      #24
    Green Broke
    I didn't watch the entire video, but will admit that the parts that I did watch left me generally confused, all hinging upon the fact that his methods looked unnecessary. I didn't see any aggressive behavior in the parts that I watched, nor did I see a bullheaded horse who was absolutely unwilling to cooperate. So... why the tactics?
         
        01-04-2014, 06:03 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    My horses would never be allowed to be that disrespectful. Though, labeling this abuse is a travesty.

    That horse obviously needs additional training & handling. The farrier is there to do a job, which got done, and the horse & farrier walked away. Neither seemed traumatized by the experience.

    The farrier obviously had handled horses like this before and it's no accident he didn't get hurt. I wouldn't want to get anywhere near that horses feet with it acting the fool to a pat on the side. Furthermore, that horse could have released itself from pressure when it was tied by simply walking forward.

    Sure you could do it a more gentle way but, that isn't the farriers job. I doubt he wants to spend all afternoon working on one clients horse when he probably has a full days worth of clients to get to. That's the horses owners job to make sure the horse can pick up its feet. If anyone is going to call abuse call abuse on the guy who didn't spend more time on his horses behavior and training.

    What's this guy to do? He has just met this horse, and was told he has a nasty tude especially towards his feet. I'm sure the horse didn't get that rep overnight. Should he be expected to put himself in the line of fire just because some yahoo (who clearly doesn't know squat about handling his own horse) says he's good about his front feet being done?
         
        01-04-2014, 10:22 PM
      #26
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    This is barbaric. My bf may have a lead rope around a leg of a horse wont pick up but its to teach the horse hat he can't put his foot down even if he kicks. Nothing mean no tying like that, and within an hour the horse stops its silliness. And his dad spoils the horses with treats to where the LOVE getting thier hooves done lol. This was the type of cruel "training" my mare was subjected to. And in the snow! Really? Lets all watch a horse snap its neck...
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        01-04-2014, 11:24 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    ^Re: The snow. That's exactly what I was thinking! Isn't that a little slick and dangerous for everyone involved? O.o
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        01-05-2014, 01:32 AM
      #28
    Trained
    Abusive or barbaric? No.
    Could have it been differently? Sure.
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        01-05-2014, 01:52 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    I watched to where they nailed on the first shoe. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone else that this horse supposedly has never had it's rear feet picked up let alone trimmed and this guy takes a couple of swipes with his rasp and then nails on the shoe?

    I didn't see abuse but I didn't see a good horse handler either.
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        01-05-2014, 01:58 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Inga you are so right when you said "what is he asking the horse to do?" Then how in the world is the horse supposed to know?" I see "trainers" doing things like this and worse all time while their owners sit idly by and never question. For a long time I had seen men "trainers" do this and thought it was because they are men, now I see women "trainers" acting the same way.
         

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