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        07-08-2013, 05:52 PM
      #21
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by KylieHuitema    
    I am staying far, far away from her. She invited me and my friend on a trail ride, and my eyes just got wide.. I was only imagining her riding her horse with the draw reins and martingale on a trail ride.. I politely declined.
    LOL good for you. You seem to have the same sense of humour I have.
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        07-08-2013, 06:26 PM
      #22
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by KylieHuitema    
    Another question for you all, regarding a trainer I recently watched train her horses.

    She believed that it is more beneficial to a horses success, to do most of it's training at the end of a line. All she would really do is long line the horse in a round pen. She claimed it taught softness and acceptance of the bridle, even though the horse would pull like heck at the end of the lines.
    Then for the riding, she would use a western saddle on saddle seat horses since it is better for their back. In addition, the horse would have a twisted wire bit in (which changed ride to ride, never the same, consistent bit), with the reins running through a martingale, similar to this: Winner's Circle Horse Supplies, Saddlebred and Gaited Horse Specialists - Perfection Training Martingale
    On top of that, there would be draw reins. The rider would have 2 sets of reins.

    Now tell me, is this kind of training, actually good training? Because all that runs through my mind is that the martingale and draw reins are creating holes in the training, and that the lunging is killing the horses joints and mouth for that matter..
    These are the things I find unacceptable.
    There is no need for a twisted wire bit. Period. Also with a bit that strong, a martingale and draw reins are redundant and very harsh.

    So no, this is not good training.
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        07-08-2013, 07:30 PM
      #23
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by palogal    
    These are the things I find unacceptable.
    There is no need for a twisted wire bit. Period. Also with a bit that strong, a martingale and draw reins are redundant and very harsh.

    So no, this is not good training.

    The thing that got me is that my friend's horse worked in a smooth snaffle before this trainer and now only can work in a twisted wire.
         
        07-08-2013, 10:06 PM
      #24
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by KylieHuitema    
    The thing that got me is that my friend's horse worked in a smooth snaffle before this trainer and now only can work in a twisted wire.
    Wow. Time to have the horse retrained by someone that knows what they're doing. No pleasure riding horse needs a twisted wire unless there are serious training issues.

    I've used one twisted wire once in 20 years and believe me, I needed it. I had a horse that would root so bad he'd pull your shoulders out of the socket and then when he threw you onto his forehand he'd buck and send you over his head. Two days with a twisted wire and he was over it and riding in a snaffle.


    I don't even know of any show riders that use a twisted wire, even for jumping. I know some barrel racers that use some pretty heavy metal but that's an entirely different deal with them.
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        07-08-2013, 10:30 PM
      #25
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by palogal    
    Wow. Time to have the horse retrained by someone that knows what they're doing. No pleasure riding horse needs a twisted wire unless there are serious training issues.

    I've used one twisted wire once in 20 years and believe me, I needed it. I had a horse that would root so bad he'd pull your shoulders out of the socket and then when he threw you onto his forehand he'd buck and send you over his head. Two days with a twisted wire and he was over it and riding in a snaffle.


    I don't even know of any show riders that use a twisted wire, even for jumping. I know some barrel racers that use some pretty heavy metal but that's an entirely different deal with them.

    I only use a twisted wire on my horses in speed just for a little bit of safety in case something happens. One of my horses runs through the bit in speed.. Which resulted in running into the gate at the end of one of our runs... Twice.

    My thinking is, if you have to practically abuse the horse to "train" them, then why do it?
         
        07-15-2013, 04:23 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Although I don't have an answer to your question....These kind of 'trainers' make me a lot of money when the owner finally looks for a real trainer ;)
         
        07-16-2013, 12:49 AM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Just by reading your first message I can say she knows pretty much nothing. I would never use her until she got some serious knowledge and actually knew how to train
         
        07-23-2013, 10:45 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    Tons and tons of people send her horses to be trained. I just learned that one of the western horses she was training, ended up bleeding from the mouth. My friend said "she had it coming".. I guess this trainer brainwashes people too..

    On a side note, I put a double bridle on my horse for the first time yesterday to practice saddleseat and he held his head in a nice headset without twisted bits, draw reins and martingales... Isn't that just interesting? Proves that all that stuff isn't needed for a good, trained horse.
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        07-31-2013, 06:38 AM
      #29
    Started
    I know a trainer who brain washes people. She dose 'Clinton Anderson' style training. To my knowledge he dose not ride in kinberwicks and beat the ever-loving snot out of the horses. She hit this poor gelding (who is as sweet as can be) untill he had no hair/skin on his chest anymore. She was making him walk backwards around all the stalls and hitting him every time he jumped (he was getting bit by the other horses). Every horse she works with wants to kill her. Normally calm sweet horses start to charge, scream and kick at her after a week of working with them 0.0 and that's just on the lunge line! Yeah and everyone thinks she's not abusive and that she is the cats meow. I stopped being friends with people who work with her now as I can't stand the abuse. (and she had been known to 'work' peoples horses without their consent before.)
         
        07-31-2013, 11:10 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Wow. I just had a conversation with one of my campers (I'm a counselor at an equestrian camp) about her new horse's "training". If you weren't in Michigan I'd expect my camper's "trainer" was the same as the one you met!

    The horse is a 3-year OTTB (not an appropriate horse for a 12 yr old, IMO) and is being trained in a twisted wire bit, tie-down, draw reins, and a running martingale. Let me say that NO, I have not seen the horse, so obviously it could be exaggerated, but this is what I was told. Apparently they put something new on every time he acts up. According to another camper who rides at the same farm, the horse's mouth is bloody after every training "session". It made me pretty sick to my stomach, and I gave the camper's mom my own trainer's number. I really don't understand the point putting tons of equipment on a horse in training.
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