why must there be so many pat VS clint threads?

The arguments could go on forever with nothing being learned other than the arguments could go on forever.

".. this is the debate that never ends... yes it goes on and on my friends... some people started arguing not know what it was and they will continue arguing just because this is the debate that goes on and on my friends..."

There are a lot of other trainers out there, public ones, that don't get much mention here. By public ones, I mean ones that market their approach to the masses, either by selling dvd's or posting Youtube videos. (although, with regard to Youtube, the trainer isn't always the one posting the video. Oftentimes it's a client).

I have seen neat stuff by Julie Goodnight, Gorde Seale, Jonathon Field, Harry Whitney, Leslie Desmond, a guy named ---- Winters, you m m m m ..... even our own Ian Mcdonald. And a host of others. (there are many more but can't bring to mind right now)
My own trainer could stand easily amoungst this group. But she does not mass market herself, but chooses to work one on one only. From what I have seen of Clinton Anderson , he has not nearly the finesse of feel that many of these others have. But, he is loud, firm and self-confident, and that's what sells. And, he lays things out in a clear way that makes it easy to follow, as does Pat.

The Dorrance brothers worked as trainers for many years before they made any effort to try and share their knowledge with the "masses". IF they had been younger when the digital age reallly bloomed, I bet there would be more videos of them. But, maybe not, since they could not really impart what they knew unless they worked WITH a person. Showing it on video is a pale shadow of the reality of doing it face to face.

There is simply NO replacement for having someone teach you, face to face, hand to hand. Trainer's videos are helpful , and I think something can be learned from all of them, but nothing can teach the way real person and real experience can.

Totally agree!

And also like the other point about disagreeing, but not calling someone a bad horseperson.

I think the Internet also just makes people cranky sometimes. It's hard to read tone, and sometimes the tangents get really confusing and weird (but also funny).

Side note... Jonathan Fields was a 4 star Parelli instructor. When Parelli changed in 2005 or '06 (I could be wrong on the year) he left and started his own thing.

I have my Parelli level one. I probably won't go any further. I got stuck having to go to free style right away. But, that being said, I did learn a lot from the home school packs (levels one and two). My family did the 'buy untrained horses for green riders'. We never have gone to a trainer or for riding lessons (I've started now). I have so many holes in my training, let's not even mention my horse's training. Watching the Parelli videos actually did show me how to get some control of my horse. It's good to some point.
I haven't seen much of CA, the only video I have of his training is from the Road to The Horse 2006. He seemed alright. I've used some of his stuff.
My problem with all NH is that people seem to get stuck.

As Tiny said, you can only learn so much from a video. I don't know if the NH methods are intrinsically flawed (though some on this forum have very strong opinions about it!)

If you ask 10 different trainers the same question you will get 12 different answers. That is just the way it goes.

Pfft!.....I'm my own trainer, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!