Originally Posted by nrhareiner
If that is all you have to chose from where you are I feel really bad for the horses. Around here there are plenty of good proven trainers. Just with in a few hours I have a multi million $$ trainer and a lot of other well proven trainers.
Finding a good trainer it not that hard. Even for a newer rider. All you have to do is be willing to do your homework and spend a bit of money on one. You get what you pay for. Too many people seem to think they can do it on their own with just a DVD or the net to help them out. To this day I still use trainers for my horses.
I have yet to see a PP certified trainer that I would let swing a leg over one of my finished horses let along train one.
The UK is overflowing with good trainers and because its so small its easy to access them so no excuse for not being able to find someone you can work with.
How else do we manage to produce top event, showjumping & dressage riders - I'm pretty sure that they mostly managed to get to where they are without PP
And please don't throw Robert Whittaker at me - he may have some links to James Roberts but his family were producing top horses before PP was even heard of.
How do you blame an instructor for a client that has a lazy horse that can't be bothered to work - because she tells the rider to kick it and then whip it to get it moving. That horse is a description of what a huge % of the horse population own - because they lack the desire & confidence to ride a horse that's forward going.
The Pony Club and BHS all stress the importance of light contact - a horse can't go forward fluidly and with 'spark' if you're hanging onto its head with a vice like grip
I don't understand what Pegasus
means by 'less natural' so I can't respond to that
Cruelty tends to come from two directions -
People who have a mental disposition to want to hurt animals - and nothing will ever change them &
Ignorance - which is usually more associated with owners not understanding the needs of the horse so neglecting it - no excuse for that as even before the age of the internet there have been thousands of books and magazines written that give clear and ample advice on how to correctly care for horses
The Pony Club was founded in 1928 and the BHS in 1947 - they are both easily accessible and always willing to give advice - they may seem a bit 'stuffy' on the outside but their priority has always been for the good welfare of the horse and to encourage owners in good practices
PP has done nothing to make the UK a kinder place - it didnt have a problem to start with - just new age horse owners - people who can't get off their backsides and find 'real life' trainers, take good lessons and look for opportunities to get hands on management training. (Its what we used to do) They would rather sit on their butts in front of a video in comfort
NOTE: I was friendly with a US family in the late 60's who had moved to the UK and they were far from cruel, I also knew a US farrier who married a british woman and moved to the UK with his quarter horse - that was in the early 70's and he was wonderful around that mare - to listen to some of it you'd think the entire US nation were thrashing the hides off their animals before PP appeared to 'save them all'