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post #141 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:13 AM
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I'm speaking of this video :
Vaquero Bridle Horse Sale - YouTube

Guy pulls his reins at :
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And again I ask what video are you watching? That was in no way pulling the reins. Again I point you back to the PP video I posted. That was pulling on the reins. What you see in that video is not at all pulling on the reins. The horses mouth never opens. The guys hands never leave that small area. The horse has 2 bridles on. What you are seeing a very nicely started young horse in a transition between the bosel and a bridle. I would have no problem owning that horse. It would take very little to make him a very nice reiner.

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post #142 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:15 AM
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Yes they are great in the arena, but outside the arena? They are nothing more than large dogs..
You have to be so affraid of horses to said such a silly thing!

Faites de lui un compagnon, pas un esclave.
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I'm speaking of this video :
Vaquero Bridle Horse Sale - YouTube

Guy pulls his reins at :
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If you have payed attention to anything other than PP, and bothered to educate youself about bridle horse training you'd have known that the rider was working of the bosalito and not 'yanking' on the reins........
Any good horseman knows at some point during training you're going to have to touch a horses mouth......it's just fact.
Gee, I must be a monster, I ride my horse in a ported correction, high and low - and *gasp* once a month I put a cathedral bit in his month.......I guess I will never pass your standard of horsemanship......oh well......I'm not losing any sleep over it......
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post #144 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:18 AM
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Not at all! I just see that those who say they don't like the method just don't know how it works.


No only the vaquero's way to ride a horse, using a bit that could break its skull... There are plenty of traditions to ride a horse, very few of them use such brutal tacks.
Haha, the bit could break the horses skull? I'm sure the horse would find a way to evade that possibility for sure.......
vaquero trainers don't spend months and years training these horses and progressing them to a signal bit like a spade bit just to break the horses skull.....what a waste of time and money......
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^agreed. Ignorant people are the downfall of the horse industry...

~Started young horses in Bosca te Ador, unto the two rein the old Spanish spade, brought them along with two hands that were gentle. Some fine reining horses as ever were made~
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I'm speaking of this video :
Vaquero Bridle Horse Sale - YouTube

Guy pulls his reins at :
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2'40
2'42
You must have watched a different video than I did. What I saw was a young horse going willingly and working softly. Whoever put the training on that animal knew what they were doing, and he was happy and relaxed.

There was NO yanking back on any of the bits. Contact? Yes, there was that, but it's part of the communication between horse and rider and there was absolutely no abuse or hard hands.

That video was lovely, and showed a well matched and HAPPY horse and rider team.

As far as Parelli, if you find something you like and it works for you and your horses do it, but do NOT denigrate another type of training because you don't understand it. I find it rather hypocritical of you to scream about people 'not understanding' Parelli and daring to say something about him, and yet you, who obviously don't have a clue about real sublety in horse training, think you have the right to slam another way of training.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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post #147 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:24 AM
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Any good horseman knows at some point during training you're going to have to touch a horses mouth......it's just fact.
So this is it : you put such a bit in your horse's mouth to use it.

And here is a fine "dog" for Wanstrom

Be sure that horse never had something else than a snaffle bit in his mouth...

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Not at all! I just see that those who say they don't like the method just don't know how it works.


Know how it works. Well does not work would be a better term and no thank you. Do not know one proven trainer who would even touch a PP horses or use his methods.

No only the vaquero's way to ride a horse, using a bit that could break its skull... There are plenty of traditions to ride a horse, very few of them use such brutal tacks.
This just shows how little you know about bits. The traditional bit used by the Vaqeros is called a spade bit. It is a pre signal bit used on finished bridle horses. Is it not use to train a horse and there is no pulling. The lightest movement of the reins will signal the horse and that along with the riders seat and legs cue the horse to do what is being asked. It is not about the bit but the training. You can not get this level of fenness or lightness in a snaffle. This is why a finished bridle horse is not in one but in a spade bit.
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You have to be so affraid of horses to said such a silly thing!
Oh they can jump and follow the guy around?? I've see collies to that at agility shows! Those horse are fine and dandy and pretty in the arena. Get them out, they aren't worth the time to even try and get work done on them. Sorry but if you grew up ranching and making a living out of the saddle, which I'm positive you didnt just because of the way you talk, you would understand. Cant change ignorance, I'm out!

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post #150 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:26 AM
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You have to be so affraid of horses to said such a silly thing!

You ever ridden a horse in cattle? Try is some time. I am not talking about cattle inside an area who have some idea about being worked by horses. I am talking about go out in an open range and work cattle. WE shall see how well broke your horses is.

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