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post #171 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:05 AM
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Want to see who well broke your horse is put them on cattle.
We can't put horse on cattle : farmers won't let us do it!

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However the fact is that if you really want to know how well trained a horse is ask them to do something that requires some real work like working cattle. You will find the holes in your training real fast.
So you finally agree that playing with cattle is not the only "work" a horse may have to do? I'm happy to read it, because I was almost thinking that apart from cattle and vaquero's style, every thing else was peanuts!

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Come ride one of my horses. You will soon learn what it is like to ride a well bred well trained horse. No robot here. That would imply that you have to do nothing in order to ride them. Not so. If you do not know what you are doing you will never get them to move. Neighbor girl found that out a few years ago. She started out riding my stallion. He will pack anyone around. Yet put someone who knows what they are doing and you can go out and do anything with him from reining to cow work to roping. Now same kid on my Dun It mare. She is not a packer. You better know what you are doing and know how to cue her or she will not move. Not one muscles not one inch.
Maybe if it could be done, I could see that.
Even if we too have very well trained and very well breed horses and we have them jump over 1.50m obstacle instated of cow work. Or do Haute Ecole and you too could be very surprised while riding them!

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post #172 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:09 AM
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We can't put horse on cattle : farmers won't let us do it!



So you finally agree that playing with cattle is not the only "work" a horse may have to do? I'm happy to read it, because I was almost thinking that apart from cattle and vaquero's style, every thing else was peanuts!



Maybe if it could be done, I could see that.
Even if we too have very well trained and very well breed horses and we have them jump over 1.50m obstacle instated of cow work. Or do Haute Ecole and you too could be very surprised while riding them!
Too bad the jump doesn't have a heartbeat and will move out away from you in a instant. The concept your not getting is with cattle work, you are controlling two completely different animals. And if you Use dogs like we do, that's three completely different critters all with a mind of your own. That's real work, not trotting around an arena and jumping obstacles. That just really doesn't impress me in the least..
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When you HAVE to rely off your horses to make a living, it's a whole different ballpark...
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We can't put horse on cattle : farmers won't let us do it!

Go find a reined cow horse show over there. I know they exist.


So you finally agree that playing with cattle is not the only "work" a horse may have to do? I'm happy to read it, because I was almost thinking that apart from cattle and vaquero's style, every thing else was peanuts!

Again you are missing the point. Too bad you can not see who things are past your own back door.



Maybe if it could be done, I could see that.
Even if we too have very well trained and very well breed horses and we have them jump over 1.50m obstacle instated of cow work. Or do Haute Ecole and you too could be very surprised while riding them!
I am not talking about your running one of my horses through a reining pattern or working cattle. I am talking about just riding. Just seeing how light and responsive they are. Something that EVERY horse and EVERY rider should strive for. However I have found that very few actually get there.
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I am not talking about your running one of my horses through a reining pattern or working cattle. I am talking about just riding. Just seeing how light and responsive they are. Something that EVERY horse and EVERY rider should strive for. However I have found that very few actually get there.
I'm working on it! I've been fortunate enough to have been given the opportunity to ride a few world class reining horses (so glad I stumbled into that job....I literally did!) .....a whole lot of horse underneath you, that's for sure!
I wish everyone would have the opportunity to ride a really well trained level headed reining/reined cowhorse........I think it should be mandatory!
Oh yes,....I've had the moment of 'WTH? Horse won't move!'
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I am talking about just riding. Just seeing how light and responsive they are. Something that EVERY horse and EVERY rider should strive for.
So here we go again... We sure know how to get that without your awfull bridle! Having light and responisve horse when ridden is the begging of everything, this is nothing special you can find only in your kind of horsemanship!

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post #177 of 402 Old 01-23-2013, 11:25 AM
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So here we go again... We sure know how to get that without your awfull bridle! Having light and responisve horse when ridden is the begging of everything, this is nothing special you can find only in your kind of horsemanship!

Again the horse is not started in a bridle like that. Again you are showing your ignorance as to how these horses are trained.

As for responsive and light. I have little doubt that you think your horses are and they might be. However I have yet to see even a high level dressage horse as light as a finished bridle horse. Yes they are light but still require some contact.

Again I do not think you fully under stand what a truly finished western bridle horse is.

To my last point. Until you actually ride a truly high level finished bridle horse you do not know. You may think you know but you do not.

Again you are also showing your ignorance as to how these bits work. So go back and actually learn. These bits like the spade bit and the correction bits are pre signal bits. They are not used to cause pain. It is not about the bit but the hands on the other side of the reins.
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Personally I love the Parelli 7 games and groundwork. It has helped me tremendously with my geldings, an aggressive mare, and I have seen it help a friend of mine who was ready to sell her horse because of a dangerous rearing problem. The main reason I started with the natural horsemanship was because of the dead head robots most trainers ride. I'm sorry but I love my horse for being a horse not a mindless slave. I will admit Parelli throws A LOT of "buy this" in with his training, and I do like using other as well John Lyons, Craig Cameron, Monty Roberts etc. just because I do like certain aspects of each of their training.

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So you really think vaquero's style is the ONLY way to have a responsive horse?
I don't believe anyone said that. Go back and check the thread. There are different training methods for different disciplines. I don't understand why you find that a difficult concept to grasp.

You're the only one screaming about 'vaquero style' as being horrible and abusive, and refusing to understand that it's a way of training horses for working cattle.

Just because the French don't work cattle with horses doesn't mean squat to cattlemen whose livelihoods depend on their cattle, and who need a responsive, educated, and willing partner.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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I'm working on it! I've been fortunate enough to have been given the opportunity to ride a few world class reining horses (so glad I stumbled into that job....I literally did!) .....a whole lot of horse underneath you, that's for sure!
I wish everyone would have the opportunity to ride a really well trained level headed reining/reined cowhorse........I think it should be mandatory!
Oh yes,....I've had the moment of 'WTH? Horse won't move!'
It really is something different isn't it? Most people go through their whole lives never actually riding a well bred well trained horse that knows what you want with the slightest of movement. I remember my first reiner. I really thaght he was a great horse and very responsive and good. Until I got my Dun It mare and used a very very good trainer with her. Oh boy. What a world of differenace. Charlie was very well bred. G-Son of Doc O'Lena top and Peppy San/Gay Bar King bottom. But nothing like riding a daughter of Dun It out of a very very proven dam.

Keep up working towards it. It is well worth it.

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