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        01-23-2013, 06:09 PM
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Not so. The earliest I ever saw the term was long before Linda came into the picture when Pat was a one man show, and used the term Natural Horse.Man.Ship, with the periods between the words.

    As far as who coined it first, does it really matter? It's certainly not a copyrighted term, so it's kind of moot who first uttered it.
    Hmm, I recall that Pat's book, which was BL (before Linda ;)), right? Had the periods dividing the word hms, & I think he did use "Natural" in connection with that (I no longer have it, or I'd check). Well, then, I dunno, because the Linda story is what P & L tell.

    And at this point, I no longer care!
         
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        01-23-2013, 06:12 PM
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    Well lets see. I remember hearing the term back in the late 70's early 80's. So I know it has been around that long. While PP may have started to use it in his show the tern has been around long before that. Just b/c you have not heard any one use it does not mean it was not being used.
    I remember hearing about a lot of NH in the early 90's. I honestly never heard much of Parelli until the early 2000's... if I remember correctly Monty Roberts was big before Parelli wasn't he?
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        01-23-2013, 06:14 PM
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    I remember hearing about a lot of NH in the early 90's. I honestly never heard much of Parelli until the early 2000's... if I remember correctly Monty Roberts was big before Parelli wasn't he?
    Ya if I remember the time line he was.
         
        01-23-2013, 06:17 PM
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    Ya if I remember the time line he was.
    I'm pretty sure he was. Because he was the "original" Horse Whisperer... Natural Horsemanship was huge right around when the book The Horse Whisperer became big, then even more hype when the movie came out. All of that was long before Parelli.
         
        01-23-2013, 06:22 PM
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    Ya it was. It was some time after that when you started to hear about PP and some of the others.
         
        01-23-2013, 06:23 PM
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    Well seen as being green is all the rage now, I'm going to coin the term Eco-Horsemanship......the tack will be recyclable, horses will eat methane reducing feed, shavings in stalls will be made from recycled shaving from other stalls.....wow it will be a hit because it makes people feel good
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        01-23-2013, 06:25 PM
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    Well seen as being green is all the rage now, I'm going to coin the term Eco-Horsemanship......the tack will be recyclable, horses will eat methane reducing feed, shavings in stalls will be made from recycled shaving from other stalls.....wow it will be a hit because it makes people feel good
    I wanna get in on this with you. I wonder if we can even somehow collect the gas from horses to fuel the tractors
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        01-23-2013, 06:28 PM
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    I wanna get in on this with you. I wonder if we can even somehow collect the gas from horses to fuel the tractors
    No, we'd use drafts to harrow and cart hay, we'd be so fanatical we'd have a cult like following!
         
        01-23-2013, 06:36 PM
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    There's another point to consider in there

    The confusion over how the term NH got coined & who coined it decides me to add another issue to ponder, for those considering entering PNH:

    One can see from my list, that smoke & mirrors around hms, husbandry, & ethical treatment of students (pay more $, we might not answer your hms questions, be kool-aid loyal no matter what, etc.) have been issues for some students. So, although it's less serious than what impacts a student's happy progress in horsemanship, there's the issue of the tendency to exaggerate, fib, cover up, regarding "silly stuff" - incidental factoids. For example, Linda has always said that her horse, Remmer, is a Dutch Warmblood. Well, he's only half DW. That's like saying that President Obama is a white man. Also, Linda's story is that Remmer's former owner told her, "Remmer is trying to kill me!" & it's untrue: proof of this can be found on a thread on "It's About the Horse" forum, with Rem's former owner providing the facts & video of Remmer & her participating in a class, with Rem behaving like a lamb, at age 3. What happened the first time Linda saw him was that he went right-brain (fearful). Fearful & Killer are horses of different colors.

    Some people are uncomfortable with such manipulations, others have no problem shrugging them off. It's important to know yourself, here.
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        01-23-2013, 07:49 PM
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    Early "Horse Whisperers":

    "Daniel Sullivan (died 1810) from Mallow, Co. Cork, Ireland, was an Irish horse trainer, who specialised in rehabilitation of horses which were unresponsive to traditional methods. A large portion of his work took place in England.

    Not very much is known about him, since he was secretive about his actual methods. To the people who were able to watch him at work, he appeared to frequently stand so close to the horse that they assumed he was whispering to it. For that reason he became known as the "horse whisperer."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...er%22_Sullivan

    "There was a man from Groveport, Ohio called John Solomon Rarey, who tamed his first horse at the age of twelve. Word of his gift spread and in 1858 he was summoned to Windsor Castle in England to calm a horse of Queen Victoria. The queen and her entourage watched astonished as Rarey put his hands on the animal and laid it down on the ground before them. Then he lay down beside it and rested his head on its hooves. The queen chuckled with delight and gave Rarey a hundred dollars. He was a modest, quiet man, but now he was famous and the press wanted more. The call went out to find the most ferocious horse in all England.

    It was duly found.

    He was a stallion by the name of Cruiser, once the fastest racehorse in the land. Now though, according to the account Annie read, he was a "fiend incarnate" and wore an eight-pound iron muzzle to stop him killing too many stableboys. His owners only kept him alive because they wanted to breed from him and to make him safe enough to do this, they planned to blind him.

    Against all advice, Rarey let himself into the stable where no one else dared venture and shut the door. He emerged three hours later leading Cruiser, without his muzzle and gentle as a lamb. The owners were so impressed they gave him the horse. Rarey brought him back to Ohio, where Cruiser died on July 6, 1875, outliving his new master by a full nine years."

    John Solomon Rarey, the Original Horse Whisperer

    Somehow, I doubt anyone was the "Original Horse Whisperer", or the first "natural" horseman.
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