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post #291 of 402 Old 01-25-2013, 10:47 PM
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The only true test of how you're doing with horses is to listen to feedback from the horses themselves. Some have gotten their horses happy via PNH, others have gotten their horses happy via other programs.

I'd like to get a bit more info on James Roberts sitting on a greenie & removing headgear when colt wouldn't go forward. (I've no familiarity with JR, so am unbiased). NRHA, do you have any notion of why JR thought that removing tack'd be a fix for no forward movement? Also, would you please tell me what the result was, with the colt? TIA!
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*scratches head*

I don't get this. Seriously I don't. Folks put up a post asking opinions. Other folks don't like the opinions offered so they take their ball and go home? What about some of the things that were said directly to Wanstrom? Both here and in her thread? She's not going home. Least I hope!

I am NOT a professional trainer. My Hubby is learning. But I do know enough to know that there's a bunch of folks around here that ARE professionals and do what they do and make a living at it. Therefore, they can and will TELL you what you NEED to hear, be the subject PP or that other individual or Monty or Buck, whoever. Not necessarily what you want to hear.

I'm really really tired from work so I hope this all made sense.
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It's all good and well to try and convince folks that what you believe is correct and you'd like them to be on board with you, but in the end, you pretty much might have to state your case, let them state theirs, and let the audience decide which to accept. I don't see a whole lot of middle ground.

It's kind of like this: For the PP dislikers, their experience is that horses trained by PP followers tend to be resentful, or zoned out ., and the humans tend to be more likely to play games on the ground than ride. This is their experience, ( and happens to be a moderately large share of my experience, too). But, it's just their experience.


PP folks experience all kinds of joy and excitement and learning , as they find something they can really relate to. Their experience is so different that for them to hear the negative one might be almost shocking, at least baffling.

We are each allowed an opinion, it's just that the wider your experience base is, the more accurate your opinion is likely to be. I don't DO Parelli, and have met a limited # of PP folks/horses, so I will admit it's a limited experience base, so though I already have a slightly negative view, I am willing to be swayed.

If all you've ever done is Parelli training, then your experience base is limited. You can still have your opinion, but realize that it might have some maturing to do.
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The mods created a separate NH forum due to the threads-that-turn-trainwrecks. Everyone, I think, has been really happy about that. Now: OP posted PP question IN the NH forum, & the non-NH'ers posted in it. So, it's same as before the separate NH forum. Seems the NH forum should be only for NHers, those who'd describe themselves as NHers, with a given list of the well-known NH trainers which these members study under/agree with. The OP's who want to hear from NHers only can post in NH forum, otherwise can start threads elsewhere.

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The mods created a separate NH forum due to the threads-that-turn-trainwrecks. Everyone, I think, has been really happy about that. Now: OP posted PP question IN the NH forum, & the non-NH'ers posted in it. So, it's same as before the separate NH forum. Seems the NH forum should be only for NHers, those who'd describe themselves as NHers, with a given list of the well-known NH trainers which these members study under/agree with. The OP's who want to hear from NHers only can post in NH forum, otherwise can start threads elsewhere.
Theres still NH stuff in the other threads.. So if that's the case, all the NH followers shouldn't post on the other threads.

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*scratches head*

I don't get this. Seriously I don't. Folks put up a post asking opinions. Other folks don't like the opinions offered so they take their ball and go home? What about some of the things that were said directly to Wanstrom? Both here and in her thread? She's not going home. Least I hope!

I am NOT a professional trainer. My Hubby is learning. But I do know enough to know that there's a bunch of folks around here that ARE professionals and do what they do and make a living at it. Therefore, they can and will TELL you what you NEED to hear, be the subject PP or that other individual or Monty or Buck, whoever. Not necessarily what you want to hear.

I'm really really tired from work so I hope this all made sense.
No, no. I'm not leaving, I have way too much for that! Lol. Although is does sometimes get me in trouble.

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And yes, every single Parelli trained horse I've run into, pins it's ears and runs the other direction when the owner approaches. And these were certified trained horses.. Seems that the program is doing the exact opposite of what PP markets..

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The mods created a separate NH forum due to the threads-that-turn-trainwrecks. Everyone, I think, has been really happy about that. Now: OP posted PP question IN the NH forum, & the non-NH'ers posted in it. So, it's same as before the separate NH forum. Seems the NH forum should be only for NHers, those who'd describe themselves as NHers, with a given list of the well-known NH trainers which these members study under/agree with. The OP's who want to hear from NHers only can post in NH forum, otherwise can start threads elsewhere.
I don't think that's how it works.....if someone posts a question asking for opinions on Parelli, then everyone should be entitled to respond. If someone asks a question in the reining forum, are only the 'reining people' allowed to respond? Nope.
You cannot separate yourself off so you don't have to hear things you don't like.

A lot of people here have a whole world of experience and knowledge to offer....
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The mods created a separate NH forum due to the threads-that-turn-trainwrecks. Everyone, I think, has been really happy about that. Now: OP posted PP question IN the NH forum, & the non-NH'ers posted in it. So, it's same as before the separate NH forum. Seems the NH forum should be only for NHers, those who'd describe themselves as NHers, with a given list of the well-known NH trainers which these members study under/agree with. The OP's who want to hear from NHers only can post in NH forum, otherwise can start threads elsewhere.

that's a thought. but, that rule doesn't really hold for the whole forum. However, it does serve to remind folks that if you think Natural horsemanship is hogwash, then perhaps you are in the wrong place. Or at least you should tone it down a bit, since this place is meant for folks involved in NH to have a place that they feel "safe" in, just like the Plus Sized forum.
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Northern, if you want a place to talk about NH or, particularly, Parelli, without getting "interference" from who you would deem as non-NH why not just go join a strictly-NH forum?

Since this is an open forum, you can't tell folks "Well, you just can't post here".

That's the same as telling folks "Well, you don't train horses, so you can't post in the training section" or "You don't actively do <such and such discipline> so you are not allowed to have an opinion or post in threads about said discipline."

And, to be perfectly frank, many of the methods that most trainers use (myself included) can be included in what is described as "natural horsemanship"; i/e desensitizing, pressure and release, working with the horse toward understanding instead of using force or pain, etc.

Just because I don't bow down to some guru or another doesn't mean that I can't have knowledge and an opinion about NH methods/clinicians, whether they are mass-marketed or not.

Always remember that feeling of looking at a big, open country over the ears of a good horse, seeing a new trail unwind ahead of you, and that ever-spectacular view from the top of the ridge!!! Follow my training blog: http://robertsontraining.blogspot.com/
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