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    01-26-2013, 09:37 AM
  #311
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Padrona, I think you are missing the point here. All of us who disagree with PP and his methods do know what they are. It isn't what we read on this forum that shapes are views of PP. Many of us, me included have had our fair share of Parelli trained horses. EVERY Parelli horse I have encountered has been an angry, annoyed animal. And these were trained by certified trainers. And I was stuck trying to undo what was done before and make just a horse again. It's good Parelli methods work for you and your horses. That's fine and dandy, but in my experiences, I have not seen with my own eyes a good Parelli trained horse. All my opinions are based off my experiences, I did see PP doing a clinic in Boise at an Expo once. So I have seem the guy train myself, and once again, I disagree with his methods. It may work for people, or it may be hogwash. My method of training is based off my experience with horses of the years, my family history, and my area. And I'm not going to change it, nor and I'm ever going to change my views on PP. I've done my research on him and encountered PP horses firsthandedly. I have yet to see any good in his horses or methods. I'm not closed minded, and most of us are not. We just have seen the bad side of Parelli traing and have yet to encounter anything good. But I disagree with his methods and will continue to disagree with them..
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    01-26-2013, 09:38 AM
  #312
Trained
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
that's a thought. But, that rule doesn't really hold for the whole forum. However, it does serve to remind folks that if you think Natural horsemanship is hogwash, then perhaps you are in the wrong place. Or at least you should tone it down a bit, since this place is meant for folks involved in NH to have a place that they feel "safe" in, just like the Plus Sized forum.
See that is just it. We or at least I do not think NH is hogwash. What We or at least I think is PP is hogwash and if not one but PP Followers can post in the NH section which is what this is not the PP section then all you are going to get is how great he is. What does that serve?
     
    01-26-2013, 09:43 AM
  #313
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Padrona    
Well I'm sorry that you have such a negative, hateful view of your horse. Even when Buck Brannaman dealt with the aggressive stallion that was ravaging people and trying to kill them, he never once got emotional, angry, or personal against the horse. He acted and spoke with compassion and true leadership. That is the mark of a true horseman in my opinion. The minute you let negative, hateful emotion rule what we do with a horse (stripe across his ass), you just lost. Buck didn't stripe the stallion's ass. He roped a hind leg from another horse and stayed in the safe zone. For the first time in that stallion's life, he gave him real leadership. Not love, not hate. Just leadership. He established boundaries. He used flagging to defend his own space and allow the stallion to deal with his emotions out there in his own space. The stallion was euthanized because he was so far gone, but the time Buck spent with him was a shining example of what a horseman really is. No emotion. No anger. No blame. Nothing personal. He showed compassion on that stallion and leadership in a way that boy had never known.

And there's no need to "pick my story apart." There's nothing to pick apart. It is what it is. My entire relationship with this mare has improved 10 fold. I actually have far MORE of her respect now than I did before. Again, sorry that you feel you have to be so negative. Life is too short for that.
And Muppet is not being negative. Some horses do need a stripe on their ass. They need set back in their place. Yes roping a foot is just fine, but sometimes that won't do it, on because you are on another horse. It is when you are on the ground that you are most venerable to the horse. I'm guess you have never dealt with a very aggressive, nasty tempered horse before.
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    01-26-2013, 09:46 AM
  #314
Trained
I think the problem with parelli threads is people just end up beating a dead horse....
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    01-26-2013, 09:50 AM
  #315
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Originally Posted by Padrona    
But I do think that the lynch mob mentality regarding Parelli on the internet is a bit much. It's taken on a life of its own and most people who fight against it so hard probably don't know the first thing about Parelli in reality. They only know what they've read on the internet or been told by others.
This right here is the big problem I have. PP people seem to think if you do not like PP that you are some how un informed or have never looked into PP and only go by what others have said.

This could be the furthest from the truth. I get my opinion from watching listening too PP himself and all the.... he spots. Then watching all the PP trained horses around here. There are several barns around here who have a lot of PP followers in them. Heck you have a hard time riding in Oak Openings with out running into a group of them and their ill trained horses. So much so that I do not even like to ride there any more. This part has miles and miles of horse trail in a very large forest. Yet you still run into them.

My opinion has been formed over years of watching PP and the people who follow him and going through this stuff that he has put out. Just like the video I posted. Can not ride has no hands his horses who he has been working with for years do not look happy and are not very soft. What more do I need?
     
    01-26-2013, 10:04 AM
  #316
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
This right here is the big problem I have. PP people seem to think if you do not like PP that you are some how un informed or have never looked into PP and only go by what others have said.

This could be the furthest from the truth. I get my opinion from watching listening too PP himself and all the.... he spots. Then watching all the PP trained horses around here. There are several barns around here who have a lot of PP followers in them. Heck you have a hard time riding in Oak Openings with out running into a group of them and their ill trained horses. So much so that I do not even like to ride there any more. This part has miles and miles of horse trail in a very large forest. Yet you still run into them.

My opinion has been formed over years of watching PP and the people who follow him and going through this stuff that he has put out. Just like the video I posted. Can not ride has no hands his horses who he has been working with for years do not look happy and are not very soft. What more do I need?
give me a break, padronas post has none of that mentality at all....

Good for you for having some knowledge of something you dislike. Can you honestly say that PP knows nothing or can't teach you a single thing you didnt think of before ?

I will say again, I don't have strong feelings either way about PP, but come on you guys. Be a bit more open minded.
     
    01-26-2013, 10:11 AM
  #317
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Originally Posted by Wanstrom Horses    
And yes, every single Parelli trained horse I've run into, pins it's ears and runs the other direction when the owner approaches. And these were certified trained horses.. Seems that the program is doing the exact opposite of what PP markets..
I don't care for PP and his program. I also think it mostly geared towards those who don't want, can't, or afraid of riding the horse (NOT saying everyone, but quite a lot of people who are looking into Parelli or "doing" it), as a "cure" program. Which is wrong IMHO.

However I have to stand up here and say that while I consider it as a "trick training", some people don't mind to spend time on training horses to do those tricks. And quite successfully. Not to "build the bond", but simply because it's fun for them (and I see nothing wrong with it).

I went to demonstration by Parelli-certified folks at the Expo out of curiosity, and horses did very nice tricks on a ground willingly. While I don't care for tricks personally (I do think Tommie Turvey's tricks much more cool), I do respect the time and energy those clinicians spent with their horses to achieve what they did.

If the owner and the horse are both happy with 7 games, and the owner is not close-minded or bashing other trainers out there, then what is the problem?
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    01-26-2013, 10:12 AM
  #318
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
give me a break, padronas post has none of that mentality at all....

Good for you for having some knowledge of something you dislike. Can you honestly say that PP knows nothing or can't teach you a single thing you didnt think of before ?

I will say again, I don't have strong feelings either way about PP, but come on you guys. Be a bit more open minded.
That is exactly what her post was implying. That most of us know nothing of Parelli. When many have dealt firsthandedly. And of what I've seen, and experienced, he cannot teach me a single. Thing I didn't think of before. I've studied his methods over and over and found nothing. He can't ride, the horses trained are not any good that I have seen, his seat and hands are terrible and his main horse Magic isn't even that great... What is there to like??
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    01-26-2013, 10:20 AM
  #319
Yearling
I clearly stated in my other post that is PP worked for Padrona, that was good for her and her horse. But the problem being is many buy some Parelli DVDs, and think they are horse trainers, and then force it on their horse because of what PP does at clinics and on the DVDs, then they eventually sour up their horses. I've seen it time and time again. And like stated before every horse I have encountered with PP training has been a very unhappy, sour horse, that's fine if it works for some people and their horses, but what many people that follow PP imply is that we are closed minded because we disagree with his methods, how are we not to disagree when we run into very sour horses trained by PP methods. I'm not closed minded, I just have yet to see anything good come out of the Parelli program..
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    01-26-2013, 10:33 AM
  #320
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Originally Posted by Padrona    
I have learned how to think in a "we" frame of mind instead of an "I tell you, and you respond accordingly." NO, it's not spoiling the horse, or allowing them to control and run over you. But it's more of a positive way to think and direct the horse. "Let's do this together." "Why don't we try this."
I do not what a horse who is a partner is the true sense of the word. While the horse maybe a partner is the fact that we do things together he is not my equal. He follows what I tell him and when I tell him. If not we will both get hurt and I do not want the bills for that nor do I want my horse hurt. I want them to follow everything I tell them when I tell them. I want them to be a willing follower. Just like a horse would be to the alpha horse in a herd. Lead mare says go here and they do.

Instead of "Move your feet over there because I told you to do it." The latter isn't abuse. It's not harsh training. But it's the way 99% of us deal with our horses. We think that to be an alpha over them, we have to dictate things to them like alpha her members do. But that's not actually what we want. We need the leadership position, but it has to be a TEAM mentality.


Dam and foal going to water tank or hay pile.....dam makes the decsions. Dam says "We will go now." Foal says "Ok, I'm coming with you!" Sure dam administers discipline when needed. She might nip the foal or physically force him out of the way if he ignores her. A good dam always has leadership but she's doing what she's doing FOR her baby, and not TO her baby. She's not viewing her foal as a subordinant herd member to be moved around at will. She is viewing him as her prize possession to protect, to teach, to move in unison with.

Yes and have you seen what a mare will do to a foal who does not follow her directions to the letter when she say to do it? It is not a partnership or a democracy. It is do it now just like a lead mare and the herd.

And please don't misconstru this and say "Horses aren't fur children." No, they're not! They should not be treated as children, pets, or dogs. They shouldn't be coddled and cooed over. That is not helpful or safe for you or the horse! You have to have that strong leadership role and be ready to correct as needed. But just changing what's in your heart changes the outcome.
So you say you should not treat them like pets yet you advocate treating them as equal partners? They are not. They need to be told what to do and when to do it when I am working them. Only time I ever want a horse thinking on its own is a cutting horse working a cow in a show. Past that I want the horse waiting on my next cue. When I give it I expect that horse to follow that cue NOW.
     

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