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        01-14-2013, 12:43 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
    schtick can you please use words that existe in the dictionnary?
    Only because you find it so amusing:
    Schtick - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary - click on "shtick" (of which this is a variant) and you'll see it very much does exist in the dictionary.
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        01-14-2013, 12:45 PM
      #32
    Green Broke
    I am glad that it works for those who love his program - however, I was under the impression that the OP wanted to know everyone's opinion, and my opinion is what it is and is not going to be swayed by those that choose to partake of the kool-aid.
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        01-14-2013, 12:52 PM
      #33
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by themacpack    
    I am glad that it works for those who love his program - however, I was under the impression that the OP wanted to know everyone's opinion, and my opinion is what it is and is not going to be swayed by those that choose to partake of the kool-aid.
    I was just trying to establish from what level of knowledge about the program your opinion of it is formed. That is surely something that the OP deserves to know in order to evaluate the strength of your opinion.
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        01-14-2013, 12:52 PM
      #34
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    When someone invents a real life cookie cutter horse then maybe you could just rely on one person to listen too - the person who designed it and wrote out the instruction manual
    Until that day comes (and heaven forbid it ever happens) the best approach is to look at everything that's out there, keep a notebook even and use it 'as and when'. I cut things out of magazines, print stuff off the web, note things down I read on forums when I think mmm that might come in handy one day - and they go into a folder
    Most of what these trainers - including PP - will tell you has already been told before or is being told be someone else and in a few years time it will still be going on in exactly the same way with a few variations to the theme.
    I can appreciate that people who havent been exposed to real life trainers - hands on will always be the best way to learn - and are new to horses will lean on this sort of thing but I've done pretty well over the years and was having success with horses before anyone even heard of PP and his like in the UK so no way am I going to say you can't have done just as well without them because for years and years people have done exactly that.
    Too much of his stuff is way too drawn out and 'for the sake of it' - but of course that's the secret to selling more DVD's
         
        01-14-2013, 01:00 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    FWIW - I am not anti-"natural horsemanship". I am actually a fan of the base concepts, and some of the practitioners. It's the packaging and snake-oil salesman ship that certain practitioners, and - to ME - Parelli is in this category, put on it that prompts me to look elsewhere for my training input.
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        01-14-2013, 01:40 PM
      #36
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by themacpack    
    FWIW - I am not anti-"natural horsemanship". I am actually a fan of the base concepts, and some of the practitioners. It's the packaging and snake-oil salesman ship that certain practitioners, and - to ME - Parelli is in this category, put on it that prompts me to look elsewhere for my training input.
    So what you are actually anti is his marketing strategy. I take it from your post that you have not studied the substance of what he teaches in depth because I can assure you his Levels DVDs don't have any snake oil in them at all
    To be honest I hate the marketing slogans of quite a lot of companies I use the products of, but that does not make the products of those companies bad, just means they have a bad marketing department.
         
        01-14-2013, 02:19 PM
      #37
    Super Moderator
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    I consider this a fault of most DVD trainers.

    If a large number or percentage of people are not understanding your message, then maybe YOU are part of the problem. If Parelli thinks people are misapplying his teaching, maybe he ought to examine how he teaches.

    Most DVD teaching I've seen make it look too easy, and doesn't emphasize how much subtlety goes in to training a horse. If you can't read a horse's body language, your training is going to suck. And the majority of DVD training I've seen doesn't make that point.

    If you hire a trainer to work with you, they can show you what they are looking for in the horse's response. And if you spend hours teaching a horse a small thing, you begin to realize that a DVD is highly compressed and usually involves one or two types of horses, at best - but each horse is truly an individual.

    I've recently watched a couple of DVDs from Larry Trocha. I think he makes it pretty clear that these are training suggestions, but they don't work on every horse and they don't work in 60 minutes. I haven't watched anything he has on training a colt, because that isn't my need.

    Which brings me to another pet peeve: If you are watching a DVD on training a colt, you might want to reconsider training a colt. It is fine to watch one for ideas, but anyone who thinks they can learn how to break a colt from watching a set of DVDs needs to buy a horse with some good training first.

    If lots of folks are misapplying your methods, you need to rethink how you communicate and market your method. You are either marketing to the wrong people, or not communicating clearly.
    BSMS is absolutely right here and its the root of so many problems we're seeing today. This goes right down to basics too - and no doubt will offend a lot of people when I say it - but just because a few people will shoot up their hands and say 'I bought a horse and knew nothing and learnt it all from watching DVD's or Youtube videos and did really well - does not mean everyone will - I would actually say that the majority of people are going to have some major problems and accidents
    If you don't know how to put a bridle on a horse or saddle one up or know how to lead it and groom it you shouldnt be buying one - Sorry but really you shouldnt.
    After years of riding I want an instructor/trainer on the ground looking at me and telling me what I'm doing right or wrong - can't learn that from videos
    If you can learn from PP then fine but it shouldnt come above real life hands on training, it also shouldnt encourage you to buy a horse that's more demanding than you have experience for.
    I have looked at some of his stuff and its all so dragged out in places - I feel like the horse would be old and ready to retire before I'd even got half way
    Pegasus I know you have a lot of respect for James Roberts but I'd put good money on that he would have been a great horseman without any help from PP - the arrangement just gave him a useful step onto that marketing ladder and I don't blame him for taking it - he was a smart guy and saw an opportunity
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        01-14-2013, 02:38 PM
      #38
    Foal
    I like some of his 'games', and some not. His approach or something not wholly unlike worked well with one of my horses, not at all with another. There seem to be a bit too much expensive merchandise surrounding him (although I must admit that a Parelli lead rope I bought by chance before fully realizing who the great man was, is superlative quality and came through a lot of adventures and is still going strong).
    All in all, aside from being a bit of a fanatic, like all natural horsemanship schools of thought, I think he provides a very useful framework to start doing stuff with your horse when you don't have much experience and you would just be intimidated and not know where to start.
    That said, you need to be ready to drop the game and stand up to a bossy horse. Not abusing it, but hold your ground!
         
        01-14-2013, 07:18 PM
      #39
    Trained
    Would not let PP swing a leg over any one of my horses. Have watched him train (if that is what you want to call it) and ride. No thanks.
         
        01-14-2013, 07:22 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    When someone invents a real life cookie cutter horse
    Ok maybe not a real life one....


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