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        01-20-2013, 10:46 AM
      #71
    Weanling
    There is no doubt I disapprove of his marketing methods and really don't care for him as a man but I still lime his methods.
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        01-20-2013, 10:52 AM
      #72
    Trained
    I don't think that's the story !

    My farrier knew PP when he was a kid. My farrier said PP could always sell water to a drowning man. No one woke him up to this idea. Although I do think LP was told she was special when she's not.....

    I also want to add, as a sort of side note. Especially towards the above CA remarks. You can't judge a trainer by the behaviors of a student who has never met the trainer [or even has met the trainer I suppose !] just because some wacko says they use CA or PP or whose ever method, does not mean they know how to use it correctly.

    I do like some of parelli, but I like CA a lot more. He's good at pushing horses to get the most out of them, with out pushing them past their limit. My horse wouldnt be half the horse she is had I not trained her with his methods of groundwork.
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        01-20-2013, 10:57 AM
      #73
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by tailskidwest    
    First off, I have spent too much money on Parelli stuff. I was new to horses, eagar to learn, but didn't know the first thing about training/handling a horse (ergo, didn't know a thing about horse trainers, DVD or in person). From this experience I figured out how to separate marketing from training. The most expensive is not always the best.

    Look at any training program and ask yourself these questions.
    Am I training the horse something I'll have to untrain later?
    [B][/Like making the horse move his butt away everytime I look at his hip ..... bet your farrier loves that one.B]
    Backing your horse by shaking the lead rope. Real handy when tying your horse in the trailer and you fumble the lead rope tying the knot and your horse starts to back out. Remember, don't yell at the horse, you taught him this move!
    There are plenty of little things like this, but take the approach of "is what I'm learning/teaching the horse" based in scientific fact and is it documented? The "why" not just the "how" and "if I teach my horse this, will it effect more advanced training.

    In summary, separate the marketing from the training and are you learning substance or "gee whiz". Standing on your horse while he is laying down and you are cracking a whip over him looks fantastic to the novice, but has no practical application in the real horse world (sorry not a Parelli trick, but you get the idea). Do your homework and spend your money wisely, horses are expensive enough!
    based on these comments, I don't think you really understand the point of these cues. The rope shaking is don't to reinforce the hand gesture/body language. Your horses shouldnt back up every time the rope moves ! That is ridiculous and he is not being trained correctly. He should be comfortable enough with the equipment that he knows not every movement means something. Horses are very sensitive to body language and cues, they understand intention very well if they are trained consistantly.
         
        01-20-2013, 10:57 AM
      #74
    Trained
    If nothing else, someone who can get $48 for a stick is no dummy.
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        01-20-2013, 11:09 AM
      #75
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
    based on these comments, I don't think you really understand the point of these cues. The rope shaking is don't to reinforce the hand gesture/body language. Your horses shouldnt back up every time the rope moves ! That is ridiculous and he is not being trained correctly. He should be comfortable enough with the equipment that he knows not every movement means something. Horses are very sensitive to body language and cues, they understand intention very well if they are trained consistantly.

    Yes and the other thing is the difference in a driving position and a neutral position, as Buck Brannamann teaches. In the 7 Clinics DVDs, Buck talks many times about a driving hand versus a neutral hand. Rope moving around, or flag moving around does NOT mean move unless the hand with the rope or the flag assumes the driving position. It's the intention, not the act of the rope actually moving.

    Same deal with looking at hindquarters. A horse should not swing his butt away when you look at his hip. If he does, he wasn't trained right.

    Does a working cow horse bolt and run for a steer every time he sees it? Of course not! He waits for a driving or directing cue or aid. He waits on his rider to tell him what he wants. Just being in the arena with a cow doesn't mean the rider has no control and the horse just willy nilly does what he wants. A Parelli trained horse should not be running around every time a rope is moved either.
         
        01-20-2013, 12:56 PM
      #76
    Trained
    If PP is so great then explane the video I posted.

    Here so you do not have to go back and find it.


    One of the poorest examples of horsemanship I have seen. This is his main horse too. If he is so great then why is this poor horses riding like this? Why is he in his horses face do much if the horse could do this bridleless?
         
        01-20-2013, 01:03 PM
      #77
    Foal
    Lol... people love to hate Parelli.

    Me... I love Parelli.

    Claire xx
         
        01-20-2013, 03:28 PM
      #78
    Foal
    Yes Magic can and does ride bridleless. She is featured in many of his training videos, including some of the freestyle training videos where she is working on serpentines bridleless. I agree she looks very tight in this video and she's wearing a curb bit and Pat is using a lot of bit contact. He is not however using any MORE bit contact than any other big name trainer or competitor. He is not jerking on her face or yanking her head around. Have you watched the Road to the Horse videos of Clinton Anderson? He is literally **** near tearing the colt's bottom jaw off in the 2011 RTTH. I thought if he yanked and jerked any harder, thge reins would tear right off the bit.

    Dressage horses usually have froth slobbering down their front legs and chests because of so much contact they can't even swallow. But that's considered "beautiful" and the foam is considered a "good thing." (I think it's horrible.)

    I couldn't begin to say why Magic is requiring a curb bit and that much contact in that video. What I do know about her is that she was a very damaged, complicated, ruined horse that Pat essentially rescued. She had been through many trainers, was deemed unrideable and dangerous. The fact that Pat does everything he does with her is absolutely amazing, in my opinion.
         
        01-20-2013, 04:02 PM
      #79
    Trained
    What I see is a horse who is being pulled around in the turn. She is stiff and not supple at all. She is to the point that the turn is INCORRECT. This to me looks like very very very bad riding and even worse training.

    Now compair to this. Only need to watch the first 50 sec of this one to see.


    What is the differance? Well lets see. A well trained horse performing on a loose rein ridden by a trainer who actually knows what he is doing. Also the horse in this video is only a 3yo.

    Also compairing PP to CA is no compairison. Both do what they do b/c they can not compet with a real trainer in the real world of trainng and showing horses which you really need to do if you want to make a good living at it.
         
        01-20-2013, 04:07 PM
      #80
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
    i don't think that's the story !

    My farrier knew PP when he was a kid. My farrier said PP could always sell water to a drowning man. no one woke him up to this idea. Although I do think LP was told she was special when she's not.....

    I also want to add, as a sort of side note. Especially towards the above CA remarks. You can't judge a trainer by the behaviors of a student who has never met the trainer [or even has met the trainer I suppose !] just because some wacko says they use CA or PP or whose ever method, does not mean they know how to use it correctly.

    I do like some of parelli, but I like CA a lot more. He's good at pushing horses to get the most out of them, with out pushing them past their limit. My horse wouldnt be half the horse she is had I not trained her with his methods of groundwork.
    Small difference in perception. I'll go with he's always been a smooth talker. Also an opportunist. And the opportunity to make lots of money came when the front range of CO started to be over developed with ranchette owning hobbyists.

    The guy can basically ride and handle most horses. And if his games get people off the sofa and outside doing anything I'm cool with that. They have zero value in my world.

    Years ago I started getting bombarded with requests from Parelli followers to come "help." Absolutely worthless, everyone of them. It took them sooo long to tack up their aged mares and geldings, and once on spent more time analyzing, in a Disney-fied way, what they thought their horse was thinking and what their horse wanted to do... I finally made a no parelli-ite rule on my place.
         

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