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    01-20-2013, 05:08 PM
  #81
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Padrona    
Yes Magic can and does ride bridleless. She is featured in many of his training videos, including some of the freestyle training videos where she is working on serpentines bridleless. I agree she looks very tight in this video and she's wearing a curb bit and Pat is using a lot of bit contact. He is not however using any MORE bit contact than any other big name trainer or competitor. He is not jerking on her face or yanking her head around. Have you watched the Road to the Horse videos of Clinton Anderson? He is literally **** near tearing the colt's bottom jaw off in the 2011 RTTH. I thought if he yanked and jerked any harder, thge reins would tear right off the bit.

Dressage horses usually have froth slobbering down their front legs and chests because of so much contact they can't even swallow. But that's considered "beautiful" and the foam is considered a "good thing." (I think it's horrible.)

I couldn't begin to say why Magic is requiring a curb bit and that much contact in that video. What I do know about her is that she was a very damaged, complicated, ruined horse that Pat essentially rescued. She had been through many trainers, was deemed unrideable and dangerous. The fact that Pat does everything he does with her is absolutely amazing, in my opinion.
Yanking on your horses face like Pat does in that video is just bad hands. It isn't necessary with that horse or that bit to yank and have your horse slobbering all over herself. A finished horse shouldnt need that kind of contact in the western world.. I don't care how messed up the horse was initially. The video nrareiner posted is how Pats horse should handle. The horse can do the same stuff just as well without all the contact Pat is giving. There's a huge lack of finesse in his riding.. All I see is a guy with no finesse bouncing a ball off a horse with some drippy music.. Horsemanship? I think not..
     
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    01-20-2013, 05:42 PM
  #82
Trained
Speaking of the 2011Road to the Horse....LOL

Pat FALLS off of his colt. That colt just hogged around straight around the pen, Pat looked right at the ground and that was exactly where he landed. It became a YouTube sensation, Pat gets his panties twisted and has the video removed from YouTube. Instead of saying, yep I fell off, or I underestimated my dopey colt and use it as a teaching experience he
Pouts. I am sorry, but if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
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    01-20-2013, 06:15 PM
  #83
Green Broke
No fan here, of him and her especially.

Found a video of her doing a jiggle jiggle thunk bit with long lead rope to a nice horse, that was clearly confused because the man she was "teaching" was whirling the rope like he was going to do Double Dutch.

Moron, her and him. Only smart one was the horse, and imagine he was thinking kill pen would have been better than her and his owner.

And saw video of a girl getting double barreled by a stallion while playing the "games"...don't know if she was killed or not, but stupid move to teach people stupid things.
     
    01-21-2013, 09:27 AM
  #84
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Padrona    
Yes Magic can and does ride bridleless. She is featured in many of his training videos, including some of the freestyle training videos where she is working on serpentines bridleless. I agree she looks very tight in this video and she's wearing a curb bit and Pat is using a lot of bit contact. He is not however using any MORE bit contact than any other big name trainer or competitor. He is not jerking on her face or yanking her head around. Have you watched the Road to the Horse videos of Clinton Anderson? He is literally **** near tearing the colt's bottom jaw off in the 2011 RTTH. I thought if he yanked and jerked any harder, thge reins would tear right off the bit.

Dressage horses usually have froth slobbering down their front legs and chests because of so much contact they can't even swallow. But that's considered "beautiful" and the foam is considered a "good thing." (I think it's horrible.)

I couldn't begin to say why Magic is requiring a curb bit and that much contact in that video. What I do know about her is that she was a very damaged, complicated, ruined horse that Pat essentially rescued. She had been through many trainers, was deemed unrideable and dangerous. The fact that Pat does everything he does with her is absolutely amazing, in my opinion.
If the horse does perform so well bridleless then the problems you see with the bit in that video must come from his very poor hands - and they do look pretty bad to me
Loads of people take ruined damaged horses and transform them - no one starts getting all excited and declaring it amazing - its what good horsemen/women do and have been doing for years
What is the point in comparing bad with bad or bad with worse?
You also can't compare dressage riding with western - as far as contact goes they are total opposites
     
    01-21-2013, 01:58 PM
  #85
Trained
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
...You also can't compare dressage riding with western - as far as contact goes they are total opposites
Don't worry. Linda Parelli has discovered the secret of riding with contact.
"After five years of intensive dressage training and mentoring from world renowned dressage master, Walter Zettl, Linda Parelli has decoded the secret of teaching “contact”, the elastic connection between horse and rider via the bit. Discovering this method after years of trying to get her Dutch Warmblood, Remmer, to enjoy and understand contact, Linda has impressed Zettl with her ability to explain the unexplainable."
And for just $306.60, she'll teach YOU how to ride with contact! Now that she has discovered it... :

Game of Contact DVD Parelli Natural Horsemanship

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    01-21-2013, 02:01 PM
  #86
Trained
Ya I have seen her ride too. She makes her husband look like the worlds greatest rider.
     
    01-21-2013, 02:41 PM
  #87
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Don't worry. Linda Parelli has discovered the secret of riding with contact.
Thanks for that - I'll sleep so much better at night knowing that the Parellis have come to rescue dressage riders everywhere
We are all doomed (You have to say that in a scottish accent to get full effect btw)
Afterthought - I watched the clip and struggling to understand how anyone could call themselves an experienced dressage rider (person under instruction)and not understand how to work their horse onto the bit????
Oh well.
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    01-21-2013, 03:55 PM
  #88
Trained
They wan how much for that rubbish? Really? Spend the $400 and get a good trainer for a month or quite a few lessons and really learn it correctly.
     
    01-21-2013, 04:01 PM
  #89
Yearling
Wow.. Why is everything about these people a "game". "Oh my horse is an upside down backwards introvert, now let's play a game!".. It's quite the joke..
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    01-22-2013, 09:47 AM
  #90
Foal
I actually think this thread is a total waste of time now.
It seems that the fact that many thousands of folks have been helped by the Parelli program, which must therefore have some good in it, is going to be overlooked in a storm of prejudice.
There are those who say Pat has stolen all his knowledge from others, despite the fact that he always acknowledges his mentors. Everytime I have heard him use a stock phrase I have heard him say where it came from. The first few minutes of the colt starting video series is devoted to explaining who taught him and pointing out he is only passing on their knowledge. But folks still say he has done nothing original, he has stolen it all. A gross misrepresentation of the truth designed to reinforce their prejudice against him.
They say that he should not be followed as it is dangerous to follow a video program, but that Clinton Anderson is better. As far as I can see by searching the internet there are NO CA instructors in the UK. So following CA would be entirely dependent upon videos and by that logic much much worse than following Parelli who has many certified UK instructors.

So maybe all those folks who say I should not follow Parelli, but should follow Buck or Clinton or Mark Rashid or Stacey Westfall etc etc could do some googleing for me and find a good program that is available in the UK and has instructors that I can train with.
     

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