There is this chick on FB and is calling me an animal abuser because I ride horses, use a bit, and thinks it is unimaginable to even properly use spurs, shoes, and whips. She is some weirdo I tell ya. They are even against CORRECTING your horse when it puts you in danger. They are COMPLETELY against showing. Calling bits sadistic when horses don't even mind them. Her "about me" spot on her page says all this BS about "i don't want to hear how good your horseback ride was or how good your horse reacted to conditioned responses or how terrible your horse is". What do you think? Here is their website...Welcome to www.horsemanshipwithoutharm.com. They have some good points but I still think they are a bunch of crazies....:shock: So yeah, tell me your opinion!
Could I please have some milk with that bowl of Fruit Loops? To each his/her own, but to impose such a narrow minded view on the internet is a little scary. Must be nice to have such a big soap box to stand on. Where's RiosDad? He'd love this!!
It's kinda true. I like it here, but some of the members can be very.. "preachy". Not that it's stopped me - I've always spoke my mind and gotten in crap a few times. We're almost supposed to be criminally nice. I'd rather say what needs to be said then say what they want to hear. But that's just my opinion.
i am very dissapointed, i find you all very negative. i have just viewed her website and for someone who is coming from a point of love and compassion, how does this spark so many nasty, negative comments?
ok you may think some of her views are very extreme from your point of view, but she is NOT ramming it down your throat, you asked to speak to her and she gave you her point of view, which everybody is entitled to.
open your heart and mind, you may just find something wonderful with your horse. after all, arent we all searching for a better relationship with our horse?
ok you may think some of her views are very extreme from your point of view, but she is NOT ramming it down your throat, you asked to speak to her and she gave you her point of view, which everybody is entitled to.
Her website, and the messages via FB are like broken records....or a robot with a glitch "bits are evil, riding is evil, you are evil" *eye twitch*
I would be more willing to entertain her thoughts if she could hold a debate in an intelligent manner, actually build on some of her ideals, etc. and not constantly refer back to the words "pain, harm, suffering" when referring to riding and whatever else most of us here at HF do. Point blank that's fear tactics in motion, and while some people might be fooled, I am not. I can accept that not all people want horses for a purpose, but trying to tell ME that I am wrong is just not okay.
Everyone is allowed to eat their own cake. Calling chocolate poop is not a very mature thing, or good business tactics. After all, everything is word of mouth....
Yeah, justsambam08 said it well. If she were speaking her own thoughts and experiences, it might hold a thimble of water. But just spewing this broken record garbage serves no positive purpose whatsoever. I still don't know why anyone with such an extreme view on any subject would put it up for the world to see.
My horse and I have a fantastic relationship. He runs over and throws his head into the halter when I show up to see him and he's equally happy to open his mouth when I bridle him so we can go ride. The part where he blows out like a purring cat while we're cantering along in the woods gives me the impression that he does not feel enslaved due to being ridden. Kinda tells me he's happy, but I guess that's just my silly assumption. After all, it's cruel to put a bit in my horse's mouth and ride him. The lady in Texas says so.
Evil horse equipment, bible references, sexual bedroom games... This girl gave me a serious case of the creeps.
Can't use a horse for sport, can't use them for pleasure.. What are we supposed to use them for? Dog food?
If she wants a pet she shouldn't ride, perhaps she should get into cats.
The problem, as I was trying to explain to the aforementioned quack in her blog, is that trying to have an equal relationship with a horse is unnatural and impossible.
Horses do not understand the concept of equals. I have never seen horses be equal to each other. When it comes down to it, even when they get along great, one of them is always in charge.
The relationships these people have here are relationships in which the horse is the leader and the human is submissive to the horse. They feel it is completely okay for a horse to bite or kick a human, in fact they encourage it. These are dominant behaviours horses use with each other to gain leadership over each other.
This is an extremely dangerous type of relationship to have with a horse. Since we can not be equals with our horses, we must be the leaders in order for it to be a safe situation because horses are much bigger and more powerful than we are. I will not be surprised to hear that this girl is hospitalized or killed by her horses. It's not a matter of if, but of when.
Amen to that sister.....if only I would of been smart enough to think of that to say to her in the beginning. Arguments are not really my strong points LOL
She thinks riding-and driving, I assume-is evil? What does she do with her horses then? Teach them tricks and force them to live like pet dogs? Because I'm sure that's more humiliating and degrading to a horse than riding it. The whole reason horses were domesticated in the first place is to be ridden.
I'm not a religious person in any sense of the word - I just think what is, is.
If you're Christian, Catholic, Atheist, whatever, that's cool with me. As long as I don't get lectured. Cause then I get pissy. LOL
She'd probably beat me with a Chinese Buddist if I rode up her driveway.
I found some of her videos. She's seems to be very young. She has a 2 year old colt that seems to have no respect for her at all and she basically lets him walk all over her. I'm watching a video now of him pushing her around in the snow and she's saying no and walking away. There's no physical force behind her words. She didn't push him away and he followed doing what he was doing.
I might be seeing it all wrong but it doesn't look safe at all!
if you go to her blog on equals with equus or whatever. there's some little pictures on top of the pages and if you click it her youtube videos come up
Ok colour me confused. She thinks all riding is wrong right? Thats the impression I got from your conversations and her blog. And she follows this Nevzorov fella. So the 2 videos she has on her blog of him doing his thing and RIDING those horses are obviously irrelevant to her message...maybe I've read something wrong. Either way, my horses will still meet me at the gate whether I bring carrots or a bridle...
You know, I find it interesting, I happen to have a horse that spent the majority of her life not being rode, she was broke as a 10 year old when I got her. If you can even call it breaking, she actually seemed to really enjoy it. Now she is rode barefoot and bitless (with an indian hack) but I'm not an obsessive advocate, it's just what works for her. I stopped riding her labor day weekend of last year, and just got on her for the first time again since she foaled in April, just the other day. She was so obviously happy to be riding again, she pranced and arched her neck proudly and exhibited every sign of being gloriously thrilled to bits. To NOT ride this mare, is a greater unkindness, IMO.
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my Rex is the same if I leave him for too long without riding. He gets all excited when we ride out, prances a bit and offers me a really nice frame and everything. When I turn him for him he instantly starts plodding, trying to make the journey home as sloooow as possible.
My heart horse was like that too, Indy. He'd absolutely pitch a fit if I pulled out my tack and he wasn't the one I rode!
That horse adored trail riding, and some of the best times we had together were just us, riding out alone. We had that almost magical rapport so many people want, but never have with their horses.
You can't tell me horses hate being ridden. Some of them do and would forever be happy just being a horse, but every performance bred animal I've ever met wanted to work.
I've seen retired foxhunters get all antsy when the hunt goes by. Heads and tails up, running with the hounds along the fence line. You can't tell me those horses don't wish they were back in the hunt field!
People who get all smooshy and emotional over being best buds and 'equals' with their horses are trying to anthropomorphise the animals into being human equivalents. They're not humans, they don't think like humans, and they shouldn't be shown disrespect by comparing them to humans.
OP, just block that user from your FB page, and you won't have to endure their drivel. If she wants to play with her horses and let them walk all over her, that's her business.
This girl states that being ridden isn't natural, so it shouldn't be done. Being with PEOPLE isn't natural, so why does she have a horse? Or any other pet, for that matter? Doing tricks isn't natural, halters and lead ropes aren't natural.
My mare LIVES to be ridden. She gets really depressed if I go too long between rides, and then she gets pissy and starts acting up. I knew a TB gelding that would perform his Level II dressage work even if he was dead lame. That was a horse that would walk, trot, and canter for you even if he only had three legs. He'd find a way, he wanted to work SO bad.
Because I find her views so very amusing, I'd keep her as a friend/contact so I could get a good laugh every once in a while. But I'm just like that. =]
this girl states that being ridden isn't natural, so it shouldn't be done. Being with people isn't natural, so why does she have a horse? Or any other pet, for that matter? Doing tricks isn't natural, halters and lead ropes aren't natural.
My mare lives to be ridden. She gets really depressed if i go too long between rides, and then she gets pissy and starts acting up. I knew a tb gelding that would perform his level ii dressage work even if he was dead lame. That was a horse that would walk, trot, and canter for you even if he only had three legs. He'd find a way, he wanted to work so bad.
Because i find her views so very amusing, i'd keep her as a friend/contact so i could get a good laugh every once in a while. But i'm just like that. =]
I agree, I would think it would be better to just leave.
But I guess since he is so popular people may not realize that he's gone and continue to try to contact him or something?
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