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        03-29-2008, 09:04 PM
      #11
    Showing
    Wow, I'm shocked at how many responses I've gotten.. thank you to everyone who has replied!

    Upnover - I agree that if I could take the person out of it and just train the horse, life would be much easier! That's interesting about that woman at your barn... although Magic isn't anything to look at :P Kate likes owning Shadow, but I think she's totally clueless as to proper care for a horse.

    Arastangrider - if I find homes for horses I do command a 10% fee, but I don't even know if Kate wants to sell.. I'm pretty sure she won't...

    Appy - couldn't agree more.. green horse/green and scared rider... not a good combination at all.
    Yes, we are making very good progress, but I know what I'm doing (for the most part!) the more I'm pushing her while I'm riding, the more I'm finding out about her - she does spook easily and although her spooks aren't big by any means, I can't see Kate being able to deal with them... Magic has come VERY far from where I started out with, and I am very impressed, but most of the time people hire a person to green break a horse so they can continue on and have the experience to finish a horse - Kate doesn't. And Magic will need a ton of miles (years) to become anywhere near finished.

    Cheval - Yes, I do need to have a chat with her. Like I said above, the more I'm working with her under saddle the more I'm realizing how spooky she is (which is fine, she's young and just started). From what I've seen from Kate, they're not a good match.

    Englishcowgirl - yes, I will probably approach her tomorrow, when we meet up. Like I said, she's a very nice lady and I like working with them.. but the more I'm learning about each of them the more I'm worried that Kate might have unrealistic expectations of Magic.

    Tim - very hard not to get involved when she and Maia are sharing the same paddock! I'm out there 4-5 times per week to feed and work the 'hosses'.
    I do want to get her more involved, and I plan on sitting down with her tomorrow and getting some things in the open... even time spent grooming Magic (Shadow :P) would be great, but I don't think she does anything with her.



    UPDATE:

    I rode Magic again today, and she was very spooky. She was great to move off my leg, but did a couple fairly major spooks and a few good bucks. Okay, one was my fault - I left my phone in my pocket and it rang (stupid me!) but hey. The other was when a rope slipped off the arena rail and fell to the ground - she didn't like that.
    Yes, she's young. Yes, she's inexperienced. And she's come so far so fast (I've built her training from ground up) that I was feeling good about her being a prospect for Kate, but now I'm back to being worried. She isn't a mare that scares me in the least - she hasn't rocked my confidence about my training at all, but the more I find out about Kate the more I worry that it's going to take a long time for her to be even remotely the horse that Kate wants... she's terrified of even the idea of a horse bucking...

    *sigh*
         
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        03-30-2008, 07:08 AM
      #12
    Foal
    Dressage...
    I didn't read all the responses, so I apologize if I'm stepping on someones toes.

    The biggest plus in my business as a trainer is that I'm completely honest. I tell folks exactly how much I've worked their horse. Even if he's been here for a month and I've petted him twice (over dramatization of course).
    I always try to prepare the horse for the actual owner... After all, it's not me that will be riding him for the rest of his life. But sometimes there is nothing I can do in a reasonable amount of time... and I tell the owners to sell this horse and get a better suited one.

    In 20 yrs of training horses for the public, I can name the two people who have taken me at my word. I can't remember the many many horses who came to me a yr or two later that needed to be retrained so the owners could then sell them.

    A lady like your client is probly the kind that didn't buy a horse... She bought a pet. And you don't just sell pets. You deal w/ them for better or worse. Just watch Ceasar on TV sometimes. I always wonder how come those folks let their dogs control their lives to that degree. But dogs are pets... you don't sell a pet.

    Judging from my experience, advise the lady to sell the horse. But she probly won't. So advise her to buy a learner horse... Something suitable.
    Either way, your honesty and knowledge will gain you the respect and trust of this lady. And you'll probly be the one teaching her lessons so that eventually she can deal w/ the mare.
    So you won't be out the money, and you'll feel a lot better about how you are earning it.
         
        03-30-2008, 08:30 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Julia Slater
    dressage...
    I didn't read all the responses, so I apologize if I'm stepping on someones toes.

    The biggest plus in my business as a trainer is that I'm completely honest. I tell folks exactly how much I've worked their horse. Even if he's been here for a month and I've petted him twice (over dramatization of course).
    I always try to prepare the horse for the actual owner... After all, it's not me that will be riding him for the rest of his life. But sometimes there is nothing I can do in a reasonable amount of time... and I tell the owners to sell this horse and get a better suited one.

    In 20 yrs of training horses for the public, I can name the two people who have taken me at my word. I can't remember the many many horses who came to me a yr or two later that needed to be retrained so the owners could then sell them.

    A lady like your client is probly the kind that didn't buy a horse... She bought a pet. And you don't just sell pets. You deal w/ them for better or worse. Just watch Ceasar on TV sometimes. I always wonder how come those folks let their dogs control their lives to that degree. But dogs are pets... you don't sell a pet.

    Judging from my experience, advise the lady to sell the horse. But she probly won't. So advise her to buy a learner horse... Something suitable.
    Either way, your honesty and knowledge will gain you the respect and trust of this lady. And you'll probly be the one teaching her lessons so that eventually she can deal w/ the mare.
    So you won't be out the money, and you'll feel a lot better about how you are earning it.
    I completely agree. Good advice.
         
        03-30-2008, 10:49 PM
      #14
    Showing
    Update:

    So I sat down with Kate today to chat things over. She just started working full-time again and has realized that it might not be such a good idea to keep Magic as she won't have the time to continue her training.
    I've explained to her that Magic will need a lot of work before she becomes a "beginner friendly" horse, and Kate respects that and wants what's best for Magic. She also can't affoard to keep me on the $300/month dealie, so might employ me to sell her as well.
    She might be interested in getting an older, broke horse in the future.
    Anyways, thank you all for your input, and I will keep you updated on what happens!
    I'm just happy to have gotten this much work on Magic to make her more marketable in a very cruel market.
         
        03-30-2008, 11:11 PM
      #15
    Trained
    I'm glad you were able to talk to Kate and talk things over. I'm glad she realized Magic is too much of a horse at this time for her, and is willing to sell and get an older horse.
         
        03-31-2008, 12:43 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    That is wonderful news! Glad to hear the talk went well and she agreed!
         
        03-31-2008, 12:46 AM
      #17
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by upnover
    That is wonderful news! Glad to hear the talk went well and she agreed!
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by appylover31803

    I'm glad you were able to talk to Kate and talk things over. I'm glad she realized Magic is too much of a horse at this time for her, and is willing to sell and get an older horse.

    Yeah, means I'm out of $300/month!! :P
         
        03-31-2008, 10:03 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Although you're out $300 a month, you did what's best. You helped her and her horse. Just keep in mind that your there because you love horses, although the check is great, too! Who knows - now, Kate might thing (more) greater of you and tell all of her little equine friends about you, and they'll tell their friends...

    I'm so glad you told her that, though!
         
        04-01-2008, 09:46 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Its no good that you are out that $300 but at least you are down that money because you did the right thing b y horse and owner :) you should be very proud of yourself for bein so selfless about it. A lot of people would have just kept their mouth shut so as not to lose any money.

    You can always look around for a new horse to train advertise your services or something :)
         
        04-02-2008, 12:37 AM
      #20
    Showing
    Thank you Cheval and Jazzy - I agree, I feel much better now that I've had that chat with her!!
    I'll be advertising my services again - hopefully Kate will give me a good reference!
         

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