*UPDATE* Help 17yr old Beginer Train Agressive Gelding?

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    03-04-2011, 01:03 PM
*UPDATE* Help 17yr old Beginer Train Agressive Gelding?

About a month ago I posted on here asking for help with my 4 year old American Paint, Tonto. If you recall from the previous thread, he was a very pushy horse who liked to nip, refused to be tied, or lift his feet, would rush to the food the second I set it down or try to steal it from my hands and would occasionally kick at nothing in particular.

Over the past month I really started to really think about what I should do, I looked at my options, I could either get a trainer or sell him I didn't want to sell him, I didn't feel like I was ready to give up on him yet, I know I made him the way he was and I owed it to him to make things right. So I researched, and watched all these videos of trainers working with horses, I got in touch with a local ranch owner, and a few other trainers and decided to give it one more shot, I went outside and started from scratch with him, like none of the past 2 years had happened, and started working with him in a completely different way. After all of the searching I have done about horses, it seems to me, that just like people, every horse learns in a different way, I was being really rough and aggressive with the way I was going about training him and he acted aggressive with me. When I went out there like a new person and started everything over again I took a different more gentle approach to training and I think I've really made progress.

I know many of you are probably given up on me, and still think that I should have sold him but I really do think in the past month I have made progress with him. I can walk into the barn yard without him crowding my space, I can hook the lead on him and lead him into the barn and tie him to be groomed, lift his feet then untie him and walk him out of the barn calmly, he no longer nips at me when I lead him and dosn't even think about crowding my space. I can lead him, feed in my hand set the food down, and he will follow me back to the gate before going to eat, and he dosn't try to take it from my hands anymore. I recently over the past few days started working on him with verbal commands. (I do this in the barn because of how icy it is out right now) I bring him into the barn, and drop the lead and he will come forwards, stop and backup all using verbal commands only. I am so proud of him.

Like I said before, I imagine a lot of you probably still have the same opinion of me and my family as being ignorant people, but I really think I made progress and had to share.
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    03-04-2011, 01:09 PM
I don't remember ever reading your first thread and so therefore I am going to say congratulations and you should be proud of YOURSELF as well as your horse.
You didn't take ANY of the easy roads. I.e. Hiring a trainer or giving up and selling him. You worked for what you wanted, not just physically, but mentally, thought hard about how to do what was best and that is a HUGE deal and I am sure that in the coming months you will have an even GREATER bond and understanding with your horse, especially because you didn't hire a trainer.
I must congratulate you, regardless of your previous posts, whatever they said.
Good Job and I, for one would like to stay updated as far as your progress goes.
    03-04-2011, 01:13 PM
Sounds like you've made decent progress on his ground manners, but you're still going to need a professional when it comes to breaking him to saddle.

Regardless of what Dusty stated, you can bond quite nicely with your horse even if a professional does the training. It's about time spent with them, not what you're actually doing.

Remember, we train them every time we interact with them. That can be good or bad, and it would appear you've been doing very well. Congrats.

Since I don't remember ever reading your original thread, you come off as more than a little defensive and arrogant. You might want to work on that attitude. Many people here have a lot of years and experience with horses. It'd be good to have those resources available to you, instead of alienating them.
    03-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Regardless of what Dusty stated, you can bond quite nicely with your horse even if a professional does the training. It's about time spent with them, not what you're actually doing.

I didn't say you COULDN'T. And of course you're right. I was merely stating that the bond could be stronger, not just BECAUSE no trainer was hired but also because there is obviously a lot of heart involved as well.

I don't see why there would HAVE to be a trainer to get him under saddle, though. That's the easy part. I could be wrong, it's just my opinion, but, also, I like to do everything myself, and so I am biased in that way.
    03-04-2011, 01:28 PM
Dusty, did you miss the part where the OP admits they are a beginner?
    03-04-2011, 01:35 PM
I'd like to know why Dusty thinks 'taking the easy road' means hiring a trainer to do something for which someone isn't qualified?

Wouldn't you rather see the animal trained properly, than farked up beyond saving by a noob on a crusade to prove everyone wrong?

Once a noob screws them up it's usually off to the auction they go, because the animal is now dangerous and has to be sold anyway.
    03-04-2011, 02:22 PM
I'd like to mention that we tack him up everyday, and if you read my older thread you would have read that he has had people on his back while he we being lead around in the field, he just didn't know cues so someone constantly had to be showing him when and where to move. My dad always had good control over him, it was always me he had the problem with.
    03-04-2011, 02:26 PM
Here is the OPs original thread for those of you, like me, who had not read it and are wondering where it is.
    03-04-2011, 02:50 PM
Congrats Zip! I'm truly sorry to hear that anyone made you feel bad for asking for help. You have and are obviously doing the right thing and hopefully others can learn from your experience.
    03-04-2011, 02:55 PM
You know honestly there is no reason Zip that you can't work on him undersaddle yourself. Especially if you have access to some ranchers that can help out a bit. Hiring a "professional trainer", I might add, is no guarantee and they do not provide warranties either. In my experience there have been far too many horses that have been messed about by the "professionals" and end up at the auction just as fast.

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