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post #51 of 56 Old 09-22-2012, 04:18 PM Thread Starter
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So, the only update I have is that me and my parents agree that as long as you dont go into the roundpen or try to lunge her at all, she's fine. I'm fine with this, lunging and round-penning isn't a necessity to train a horse.
So, we saddled her in a medium sized corral, and she didn't bat an eye at it. She actually though she should maybe chew on the stirrups when I got her flexing. Little stinker.

Anywho, I've been taking her for walks around the yard and stuff with the saddle on and working on in-hand manoeuvres. (backing up mostly...)

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post #52 of 56 Old 09-24-2012, 09:46 AM
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It does help to lunge a horse for breaking and maybe comes in handy later on but there are other ways to 'skin a cat' and if your horse has had some sort of a bad experience in the past thats causing the reaction then I would go ahead and work him the way that siuts you all best - after all he's for riding not running around a pen.
I had one horse that was a bit like yours and he was never lunged but we still got him broke for riding and he was a great all round horse, I also had one horse that would never lunge on left - he would hurl himself on the ground and rear up and go over backwards so we decided to give up on it yet he also was a great riding horse - worked on both reins under saddle no problem and did showjumping and dressage very well so I cant see that he lost out in any way.
Good luck with the progress.
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post #53 of 56 Old 09-24-2012, 08:33 PM
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I've read most of the posts, but some of what's being said reminds me of a video taken in Pakistan I believe of a horse who fought back!
Go to YOUTUBE and search under: ANIMAL ATTACK - horse attacks guy in retaliation!
This is crazy, the horse (pony) was under so much pressure (they're beating it with stones I believe) from these men that it went berserk and attacked them.....I hate to think what happened to the horse afterwards:(
I personally haven't seen a horse 'attack' in a round pen incident or anything similar. I have seen them attack randomly, no pressure at all because they were sour in the barn and extremely fit (in a herd, the fittest and strongest wins and leads) and I found that the fitter the horses would get, the more extreme their behaviour would become......albeit they were racehorses, no necessarily bred for temperment.
I've had horses back up on me or turn their butts to me on the longe line, usually young horses who are just confused with what im asking them to do, usually in those cases I would drive them away from my with the longe whip (occasionally they got popped because they started backing up on me......not safe!) but as soon as they moved I would remove eye contact, lower my whip or arm and relax....and there fore they would relax too.

I think you've made some progress, and I'm glad you had a better day
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post #54 of 56 Old 09-24-2012, 10:11 PM
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the horse (pony) was under so much pressure (they're beating it with stones I believe) from these men that it went berserk and attacked them.....
It's called 'defensive aggression' & yes, while most horses are submissive enough to put up with hard treatment, some are labled 'vicious' or 'unbreakable' because they fight back. Big problem with dogs too, & the animal usually pays the ultimate price for it. One reason I think it's best to use non-confrontational methods where possible & ensure when you do need those sort of tactics, to appreciate fully how the *horse* is understanding it all.
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Clinton Anderson just recently did a TV show where he went to a lady's place to video her and her horse that would chase her out of the round pen. This horse REALLY chased her out and meant to kill her if he had caught her. He almost got her as she bailed over the RP fence.

It took CA about 30 minutes to show the horse who was the boss and what he (the horse) was supposed to do and how he was supposed to do it.

Then, the next 2 days was spent with him teaching the lady how to 'read' the horse and how to step into the horse instead of back away from him.

There are just some horses that only let you step back a few times before they charge you. I took in many of them when I trained for the public. None had been abused. They had just all learned to be aggressive when their owners had backed away at the wrong time instead of stepping up and making the horse move back.

There is an old saying: "He who moves his feet first, loses!"
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post #56 of 56 Old 09-25-2012, 03:01 PM
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I've had aggressive horses who were just that because they'd learnt how to dominate and pick up on fear and the way that Clinton approached that horse (I also watched that) is the only way to deal with them. When I first got the arab even after being gelded he was still much the same, it took one good wack with a hefty stick to show him who was in charge. he never tried to attack me again but I would never turn my back on him.
I have also had horses that have been abused and turned defensive. If you hit them it only makes them worse so its more about dealing with them in a non-confrontational way while still not allowing the kicking and biting its easier to try to not get into the situations that provoke it and building up their trust in people again.
Its important to be able to recognise which type of horse you are dealing with
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