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        12-02-2012, 10:59 AM
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    thank you guys I did some more join up today, and I have no idea why I did this but when my horse didn't get that interested in me I sent him away and he came back to me with more interest. Does this sound like the way to go ? I just randomly did it. I have been rewarding him when he comes to me with a scratches and rubs and wither rub sometimes. I didn't get to lunge today .. but I will probably do some more as its school holidays.
    Yes, with you he should always be interested in you and what you are asking or if you will ask something next. If he is not interested or doesn't have his eyes on you...send him away. If one eye is only on you, be a little more subtle, if no eyes are on you be firmer, if two eyes are on you reward, reward, reward.

    Make a plan in your head or even on paper in the beginning and even practice horseless first. Get coordinated then start the lesson so it's clear to both of you. It won't be long and he will learn how to read your body without help of tools. I believe they get so good that they can even read your mind before you think of it!
         
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        12-02-2012, 12:49 PM
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    Ok, I watched your video of you playing wiht the yearlings (right? Yearlings?) and it shows you drawing them nicely. Their thought is on you, and when they got stuck (their feet didnt' move to follow you when you stepped away from them), you went around to the side, to break out their feet. Good. That works because they are thinking on you, but not enough to move toward you, but as you move to the side, they follow you with their eyes, and wanting to keep you in their eyes, they start to move their feet so they can turn around and keep you in their eyes. Once they move their feet, they are unstuck and will likely follow you forward.

    If you sent them away from you, could your draw them back? Can you make their thought strong enough connected to you that they would stop moving away from you, when you stopped pushing, and instead of keeping going outward, would they turn and come back to you? That's a fun kind of thing to do with them. Too much pressure and they flee, but not enought draw and they drift off.

    Nice quite work, Peppy
    Thank you so much! That means a lot to me! This is my "game" I play with them. And yes they are yearlings, well technically the dunskin is 9 months but he is big for his age. I do this with all my horses I really enjoy it. And it's a great way to get the lil dunskin less nervous about my presence. He has only had good solid handling since I've owned him for the past almost 4 months. He is nervous about being directly approached by people still though he is getting better, just have to approach with low energy. But I can do this and draw him to me instead. Sometimes he won't always come but I can use the bay yearling Jet to initially draw him in then get his attention on me from there.But doing this is a great tool for catching my horses even though they don't always want to be caught. Thank you for your compliment Tinyliny.
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        12-02-2012, 12:57 PM
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    I think my points ADD to yours, not differ. I talk a lot about the idea that you are looking for, but I find it hard to explain step by step how you DO this. So much easier to learn by being taught by another, and one is always refining and learning how to do it better and better.
    Thanks, I'm way better at showing than explaining especially when it comes to lunging. So many lil nuances to doing it correctly. People don't realize that doing it right is actually really complicated.
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        12-02-2012, 02:25 PM
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    Thank you so much! That means a lot to me! This is my "game" I play with them. And yes they are yearlings, well technically the dunskin is 9 months but he is big for his age. I do this with all my horses I really enjoy it. And it's a great way to get the lil dunskin less nervous about my presence. He has only had good solid handling since I've owned him for the past almost 4 months. He is nervous about being directly approached by people still though he is getting better, just have to approach with low energy. But I can do this and draw him to me instead. Sometimes he won't always come but I can use the bay yearling Jet to initially draw him in then get his attention on me from there.But doing this is a great tool for catching my horses even though they don't always want to be caught. Thank you for your compliment Tinyliny.
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    yep! Good for catching.

    I have been working on getting Mac to come to me, using the type of movement you showed there. I get close enough that I can push and pull him with energy. Sometimes he comes. Mostly. But if the other horse he is with walks off, he may choose to follow him, instead.

    You really can see how strong your draw /connection is when another competing "draw" comes to the horse's focus. It can be easy to draw a horse when nothing else is competing for his attention. 'Nother story if the herd is heading off and he's wanting to go along.
         
        12-02-2012, 02:33 PM
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    thank you guys I did some more join up today, and I have no idea why I did this but when my horse didn't get that interested in me I sent him away and he came back to me with more interest. Does this sound like the way to go ? I just randomly did it. I have been rewarding him when he comes to me with a scratches and rubs and wither rub sometimes. I didn't get to lunge today .. but I will probably do some more as its school holidays.

    The reason he came back with interest was that you became more important than whatever was drawing him away from you. Then, when he came over to you, you were a very nice place to BE at. THAT is the whole concept of "join up".

    The only reason you might ever have to run your horse around and around until he is "begging" to come in is if he is focussed hard on something outside the pen, such as his herdmate. In that case you might have to get really BIG to interrrupt that outward thought, and that's what you are doing; interrrupting his outward focus so that he has a choice to make. That choice is: go back to that outward focus OR focus on the thing that interrupted me.
    So, when he leaves you, he has chosen to go outward, and you need to interrupt that choice and see if he'll choose you the next time.
    Eventually, it takes very little to interrupt his outward thinking. But, you do need to let him make that mistake and then offer up a different choice; YOU.


    Once he isn't running blindly around the corral, and he comes to you, in fact wants to stay with you. Then you work on sending his feet here or there, backing up, things like that to be sure that he will come back to you when you cease sending.


    And you can test the strength of your connection by having him join up, then you walk, and then you TROT off. Will he trot with you?
    Remember that your horse must match you, not the other way around.
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        12-02-2012, 02:55 PM
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    yep! Good for catching.

    I have been working on getting Mac to come to me, using the type of movement you showed there. I get close enough that I can push and pull him with energy. Sometimes he comes. Mostly. But if the other horse he is with walks off, he may choose to follow him, instead.

    You really can see how strong your draw /connection is when another competing "draw" comes to the horse's focus. It can be easy to draw a horse when nothing else is competing for his attention. 'Nother story if the herd is heading off and he's wanting to go along.
    That's true but where they are at there are no other horses. So it's easier to keep thier focus on me. My two adult horses are on my 15 acre pasture on the other side of town so they don't have them to distract them. But even still baby horses have short attention spans regardless so sometimes I have to ask a few times and gain thier interest again, or push them and then redraw thier focus but once it's there I can almost always draw them into me. They are good lil boys but it took a lot of practice over the years to really get it right. I'm not even sure where I learned it to begin with (trust me there was a lot of trial and error be I could do it well) but I'm glad I did its very useful.

    OP- what Tiny said is true you gotta gain thier interest it works well in lunging and in the join up. You gotta be more interesting then what going on elsewhere. In my video I lost the dunskins interest in me so I sent him away by snapping at his hind quarters then I drew him back into me with my body language and probably with a little of Jets help. I have to use jet as my ambassador to interact well with Jackpot (dunskin) sometimes. If you get good at it you can feel what to do next without thinking much about it. It's something you gotta learn yourself its not something we can explain and you learn.
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