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        05-09-2014, 02:28 PM
      #21
    Foal
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    No this is how you check for ulcers:
    Gastric ulcers in horses - YouTube
    The guy in the video is a well known vet who is ALSO an acupuncturist. If you have not seen a GOOD acupuncturist or chiropractor do their thing (and btw, many vets are learning these things in continuing education, as mine has, and apparently the vet in the vid) you are missing out on some great tools. Granted calling yourself an equine acupuncturist and being a good one are not the same thing. I don't know a ton about this stuff, but I do know horses and horse handling. The way this guy handled the horse kicking at him tells me quite a bit. He also describes why scoping is an incomplete diagnosis.
    And as far as the horse in quastion, it may have ulcers (which can be determined by a gastraskopi) but the symptoms described is a bad back.
    how definitive a diagnosis over the internet! IMPRESSIVE!!!


    What is it with horse people that they are always off in never never land looking for problems where there aren´t any?
    Some of us Lost Boys' horses have won about a million bucks. How about yours?
    Glad to see I could amuse you. That was certainly why I took the time...
         
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        05-09-2014, 03:34 PM
      #22
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    No this is how you check for ulcers:
    Gastric ulcers in horses - YouTube

    And as far as the horse in quastion, it may have ulcers (which can be determined by a gastraskopi) but the symptoms described is a bad back.

    What is it with horse people that they are always off in never never land looking for problems where there aren´t any?
    Those are symptoms to look for and not pain indicators related to ulcers
    Daniel's video showed a method that's used by many vets including my own and it's very reliable. The pain area from ulcers is very different to that of back pain
    No vet would ask a client to pay out for internal examinations without the horse was showing a real need for one - they are not a routine thing
    This horse of the OP's has just come off a racing yard and as OTTB's are so high a risk of ulcers that would be the first thing to consider given the way its behaving
         
        05-09-2014, 04:13 PM
      #23
    Foal
    This is the exact same way our vet diagnosed my horse with ulcers, and his diagnosis was 100% correct. Sometimes, less is more and you don't need to bring out the 'big guns' like gastroscopy right away to correctly diagnose a problem.
         
        05-10-2014, 01:57 AM
      #24
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DanielDauphin    
    Some of us Lost Boys' horses have won about a million bucks. How about yours?
    Glad to see I could amuse you. That was certainly why I took the time...
    Yes Danial I find it very amusing.
    60 years of horses and people still amaze me with what they can come up with. "palplating for ulcers" right
    Have you never heard of a horse being "cinchy" in the gírth area?
    Reaction from a sore back from a poorly fitting saddle is a sore back! Not ulcers!
    A doctor checking for sighns of gastrol problems is not going to palplate your back and feet or feel if you have lumps on your head!

    My Amigo never won $millions.....but he did pull in a few €thousand from the track before I got him. I suspect he had ulcers from a very stressfull life and he did have a colic attack once which may have been related, I do not know, but he never showed any sighns as shown on your voodoo video.

    If people want to believe in sante claus, the tooth fairy and that pigs can fly......well that´s fine by me.
    I´ll stick too serious horse people who know what they are doing.
    Adios
         
        05-10-2014, 07:07 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    Advances in animal maintenance has changed in 60 years. From vet practices, to feeding (sweet feed was the 'go to' for years and we now know it is crap), to general maintenance, saddle fitting, and pasture management. Same with us two legged animals. Heck, 60 years ago if a woman smoked and had a cocktail while pregnant, no one batted an eye.

    It wasn't to long ago when bare foot trimming was considered a quack practice, along with massage, and chiro.

    We westerners still think acupressure and acupuncture is quackery. Personally, I'm a believer of the art that is older than the hills.

    The 'it wasn't done 60 years ago' doesn't always fly.
         
        05-10-2014, 07:51 AM
      #26
    Foal
    Amigoboy,
    My one question remaining for you is whether or not your take on my name was purely clever or a mere typo?
    Believe what you like. No skin off my nose. Continue paying no attention to the man behind the green curtain...
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        05-10-2014, 02:17 PM
      #27
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    Amigo, my sister is a vet and a certified veterinarian acupuncturist. She has seen some amazing reactions and recoveries using acupuncture.

    You do know that medical practices progress forward and new techniques are being discovered every day, don't you? If you wish to remain in the nineteenth century with your vet practices, so be it. Just don't be surprised if we laugh at you attempts to discredit very good vets who decide to use new, and effective treatments for their horses.

    Your vet?





    Vets I would prefer.









    So go ahead, Amigo, and tell us all about MODERN vet practices!
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        05-10-2014, 04:02 PM
      #28
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    I shudder to think of some of the things we'd still be doing to treat our horses if we were reliant on the practices of 60 years ago
    Its thanks to all the research and better understanding that's coming out daily that vets can now be so more effective in the way they diagnose and treat horses.
         
        05-12-2014, 11:10 AM
      #29
    Foal
    Thank you all for your input. As I am new to this forum, I am quite shocked at the responses, especially those that are so very, very far off the mark!!! The OTTB I have leased is a real sweetie. She was checked by 2 vets, one at tghe track when she was given to the new owner and the new owner is a vet tech at an equine hospital here in the state, so she had a VERY thorough going over. No sores, no ulcers, no chiropractics .....OMG. The saddle I use is a Schleese fitted by a trained Schleese fitter/dealer. No issues there. So back to the beating....
    WOW!!! Stunned at how people her want to avoid that issue. YES SHE WAS BEATEN. She had 12 grooms in 12 weeks, as per her previous track ownwer informing the new owner. She would not cooperate so she was hit. Kicked in the belley when girth tightening. He stated so himself. She refused to race or run. Her personality was' TOO NICE" for a Thoroughbred. Really. No vices at all, tender eyes and soft behavior all around. Gentle as a quarter horse. So once again, back to a very simple direct question...
    How do you desensitize her now? No weird answers please.
         
        05-12-2014, 11:55 AM
      #30
    Green Broke
    If you knew she was beat, why did you ask if she could've been?

    Regardless, like everyone has said, treat her (desensitize her) like any other horse. Honestly, for all it's worth to her, she was never beat. She's been over it, once someone treats her like a normal horse (that she is), no one else will remember it either.
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