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post #11 of 41 Old 08-21-2013, 06:37 PM Thread Starter
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Sounds awesome! I'll try those things! Thanks!
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post #12 of 41 Old 08-21-2013, 06:50 PM
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Since you don't really need help then I won't tell you that by using a rope halter to tie a horse can result in a dead horse. I also won't tell you that a horse may pull back hard enough to break his neck or when the pain is so bad he suddenly jumps forward and smashes his face into something and breaks his neck.
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There are many ways to train this but I learned how to fix it from a pony farm that bred Welsh's. I asked why the yearlings were in an outdoor arena with halters and the leads dragging. They said that this is how to they begin training to tie. You MUST have a halter that won't break. Do NOT using a rope halter with training knots over the nose. I prefer a substantial, 3-ply Hamilton nylon halter. You MUST have a stout rope that is securely tied to the halter, rather than clipped and it should be long enough to touch the ground and drag. You MUST not have anything in the arena that could catch the halter.
Simply put, the horse punishes himself when he steps on the lead and panics and rewards himself when he releases the lead with his hoof. You aren't near, so you don't get hurt.
They had been training this way for DECADES. Now, the family let the business go. pity

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And I won't tell you that if you're going to be rude, you can just not post. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Thanks for your input but I wouldn't let my horse pull until he killed himself. And I'm gonna have to eventually tie him and he might freak out but I'd rather try at certain points in training then to have a horse that I'll never be able to tie.
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Corporal, I've seen people do that too and it worked for them. Thanks for your take on it. It gives me another technique to try!
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Since you don't really need help then I won't tell you that by using a rope halter to tie a horse can result in a dead horse. I also won't tell you that a horse may pull back hard enough to break his neck or when the pain is so bad he suddenly jumps forward and smashes his face into something and breaks his neck.
I recently JUST witnessed this happen, the horse hung himself on a trailer. The owner was right next to him, he flipped right over onto his back. Was horrible.

Like I said in my previous post, tie with a leather halter that way it will break.
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post #17 of 41 Old 08-21-2013, 07:11 PM
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Fulford, I'm glad that you are very concerned about the welfare of training a horse that won't tie incorrectly. =D
I have had 3/~30+ horses in my ownership career with tie problems and two were OTTB's--typical, bc they never tie them at the track, just use a human horse holder.
IMHO patience and time will fix this. If the horse breaks the halter in the middle of your training it just takes longer to retrain them to tie. I eventually taught all 3 to tie and the last OTTB had many problems on my last day with me, but he WOULD stand tied for hours. I think what you witnessed was a horse that wasn't trained to tie and not worked to be calm while tied, so he panicked and flipped, never a good end. THAT was the owner's complete fault and not the horse's, but the horse suffered nonetheless.
I really think that the OP can tackle this successfully, bc many of us have had to figure out how to fix this problem.

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I had a horse who would not tie or allow you to pet her head. Turns out she needed to be adjusted and it fixed her issues completely. Since he has these issues it might not hurt to get him checked out first.
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I had a horse who would not tie or allow you to pet her head. Turns out she needed to be adjusted and it fixed her issues completely. Since he has these issues it might not hurt to get him checked out first.
Not a bad idea! Thank you!
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I second that. My first instinct was that there must be something else going on. If you are confident in your abilities and follow the methods of clinicians like Clinton Anderson, then you should fully understand pressure and release which is the key to teaching a horse to tie.

I would start with a dentist. A good one will also look to adjust the neck and jaw to remove any discomfort. Only after that you should begin in-hand work. Pull lightly to ask him forward, etc. If he's in pain now, he will have developed this issue as a habit as well and it will take you longer than normal to reverse it.

Don't use a rope halter to tie, ever. If you've done your in-hand work properly, either a flat nylon or leather halter will be fine.

You may also want to consider getting a Blocker Tie Ring. Google it. You absolutely do NOT want to create a situation where your horse can break away from what he's tied to. Instead, you want to show him that he will remain tied even after throwing a fit and that he will survive being tied.

Also, on this forum, expect that everyone else will believe they know more than you and suggesting that you're capable will land you in hot water. ;)

Good luck!
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