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post #31 of 41 Old 08-22-2013, 02:14 PM
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1.) The horse must know how to yield to pressure. Put a halter and lead on this horse and then turn him/her out. Let her step on the lead.
2.) When the horse is tied the equipment cannot break. If the horse learns to break equipment then they will.
3.) There are many ways to tie a horse.
(This sounds like CA's Patience Pole.)
4.) Remember.. when you tie a horse to anything fixed stuff can happen.
5.) Most important is that most horses do learn to stand tied and don't die.

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post #32 of 41 Old 08-22-2013, 03:03 PM
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I've taught all of my to tie for HOURS if need be because I made it a DAILY routine. I stall tie after I work my horses and put a hay bag in front of them. The same thing at horse shows; they get worked, saddled for the class, then stall tied until my class comes up.

OP, if you are working/riding this horse, then AFTER the workout....tie in the stall...make it routine, it takes the quess work out for them.
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post #33 of 41 Old 08-22-2013, 03:43 PM
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I bring my 2-yr-old with to all my barrel races and shows for the sole purpose of letting him stand tied to the trailer ALL DAY LONG. It's an excellent patience builder. (And note, he has had lots of ground work done and he knows how to give to pressure in a halter and a bridle.)
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post #34 of 41 Old 08-22-2013, 04:02 PM
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Fulford, I'm glad that you are very concerned about the welfare of training a horse that won't tie incorrectly. =D
I have had 3/~30+ horses in my ownership career with tie problems and two were OTTB's--typical, bc they never tie them at the track, just use a human horse holder.
IMHO patience and time will fix this. If the horse breaks the halter in the middle of your training it just takes longer to retrain them to tie. I eventually taught all 3 to tie and the last OTTB had many problems on my last day with me, but he WOULD stand tied for hours. I think what you witnessed was a horse that wasn't trained to tie and not worked to be calm while tied, so he panicked and flipped, never a good end. THAT was the owner's complete fault and not the horse's, but the horse suffered nonetheless.
I really think that the OP can tackle this successfully, bc many of us have had to figure out how to fix this problem.
Actually, this horse is one I have been riding and tying for 2+ years for the owner. Something spooked him as he was at a event with his owner. If he had been tied up with a leather halter, this wouldn't have happened. Sure, he may have ran away, but being in a safe environment, he wouldn't have been hit by anything.

I agree with Updownrider.
IMHO, I will never tie a horse in something that will not break, I ALWAYS trailer and tie my horse in a leather halter. Why? If a accident happens, the leather will break. Having a halter not break is just asking for problems of a horse hanging it's self.
All my own horses are great at being tied at horse shows, the trailer, etc. I have trained my PMU baby to tie with no problems, all using leather, he never broke it once, as I had trained him to yeild to pressure.

Take my advice or not, but safety first.
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Hi Fulford!! How's life? Did those lessons happen? I haven't talked with my friend in ages, so haven't had the chance to ask her
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Hi Fulford!! How's life? Did those lessons happen? I haven't talked with my friend in ages, so haven't had the chance to ask her

Going to PM you!!! I drifted away from here, I have been insane busy this summer.

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Actually, this horse is one I have been riding and tying for 2+ years for the owner. Something spooked him as he was at a event with his owner. If he had been tied up with a leather halter, this wouldn't have happened. Sure, he may have ran away, but being in a safe environment, he wouldn't have been hit by anything.

I agree with Updownrider.
IMHO, I will never tie a horse in something that will not break, I ALWAYS trailer and tie my horse in a leather halter. Why? If a accident happens, the leather will break. Having a halter not break is just asking for problems of a horse hanging it's self.
All my own horses are great at being tied at horse shows, the trailer, etc. I have trained my PMU baby to tie with no problems, all using leather, he never broke it once, as I had trained him to yeild to pressure.

Take my advice or not, but safety first.
Tying a horse while trailering is a completely different situation than tying anywhere else or otherwise. Of course you don't want the horse to hang themselves if you get into a traffic wreck that causes the horse to fall down. An accident puts the horse into a situation where he can't control anything while he's inside the trailer. I always tie my horses when trailering. Keep their head in their own divider where it belongs. And they also get hauled in breakaway halters and panic snap ties, and fly masks. Once they come out of the trailer, though, their rope halter gets put back on to be tied to the outside of the trailer at my destination.

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IMHO, I will never tie a horse in something that will not break, I ALWAYS trailer and tie my horse in a leather halter. Why? If a accident happens, the leather will break. Having a halter not break is just asking for problems of a horse hanging it's self.
No I agree with this.. I will never trailer in a rope halter. The first and last time I did.. it made the situation very tense and was not a good experience as the rope halter came untied. I only trailer in leather halters for that reason. I rather it break than have it come untied and become a hazard for my horse.

But I stand by rope halters and sane training techniques of yielding to pressure.. to general tying.

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I don't use rope halters for anything (not a fan), I use nylon. But....I go back to what I teach all my horses, to stand tied and quiet no matter if it's TO a trailer, IN a trailer, crossties, stalls...whatever. It becomes their chill out time and not one has minded OR fought the process.
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post #40 of 41 Old 08-22-2013, 06:45 PM Thread Starter
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I've always used rope halters on my barrel horse for everything. I've yet to have a problem with it. But he is a very good boy. I have a regular nylon halter on the four year old right now. And a nylon on my new mare.
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