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    12-13-2012, 05:21 PM
Green Broke
I've had a few respect issues in the past with my QH, who happens to be a very strong alpha. Although I have a soft hand and a gentle personality, I knew any bad behavior needed to be nipped in the bud immediately. Did I like having to give her a good hard smack? Absolutely not, and it took some getting used to. But I knew it was a safety issue for me, and although it sounds melodramatic, these issues can become a matter of life or death. I'm out back with my mares several times a day, and it is sooo enjoyable to love, hug, work, nuzzle, bond, etc., and I know my horses adore me. But if my QH is in heat, or it's a uber windy day, she can get testy, and I will not allow her to be aggressive towards me. DrumRunner was right on target with the advice to correct it each time it happens, and on the spot - no hesitation! I don't think my mare would ever mean to hurt me, but due to her size and power, she certainly could. The best of luck to you! :)
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    12-13-2012, 05:55 PM
"When we got him he was very green, unconditioned, and wanted love". That sums it up right there. Never known of a horse that wanted love, just owners who think that. This is what is getting you into trouble with him. He's not an orphan child, he's a thousand pound animal that can easily put you in hospital or your grave. If you don't have a dressage whip, arm yourself with a willowy 4' stick. When he pins his ears at you in the stall, wave it side to side toward his chest and if he doesn't back off wave it harder until it whacks him a few times, but stop the moment he starts backing up. Leave the stall and return. He won't learn after the first but usually by the third time he'll back as soon as he sees your weapon. Reinforce the word back as you do this. From now on he is to back away from you when you enter his stall. You can enter his space to halter him but he's not to enter yours. This applies to everything you do with him.
    12-13-2012, 06:22 PM
Remove the word 'love' from your vocab and add the word 'b****' and you will be back on track in no time.....horses don't register 'love'......a lot of good advice here.....the horse is dominating you.......when you do anything with that horse thnk to yourself 'today, I am going to be one mean b****!'.......and follow through......
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    12-13-2012, 06:29 PM
Ok. What you guys are saying makes sense. Whether he has hurt me or not yet, that's not the point, it's what he can/will do if this keeps on...

What can I do myself to reinforce that I am the leader?
    12-13-2012, 06:42 PM
Green Broke
I would suggest all of the above, in the event of aggression or misbehavior- at all other times, both in work and pleasure, always assume an 'aura', per say, of leadership. I've found this works very well for me :)
    12-13-2012, 06:44 PM
Green Broke
Wow this is so much like I went through with Hunter. When I first adopted him (he was 15 months old)he had a serious food aggression problem and would charge at me when I tried to lunge him. I was afraid of him and almost traded him away. My farrier is also a trainer so he was sent to live with her for a month and then when he came back she would come to my barn and teach me what she had taught him and how to correct him properly. Its really hard to learn that unless you see someone in action, you don't pick up the right cues from someone telling you how to do it or reading about it. It has taken us a while (he is now 4 and a half) but we work together pretty well now. If I have an issue that I can't seem to deal with correctly I call my trainer in and she teaches me how to do it. I agree with montcowboy that you must be 100% behind the trainer. My same trainer had a lady and husband who had two horses at her barn for training. One was a yearling filly ansd the other was a 10 year old mare. Both were high strung arabians (apparently they had a third one elsewhere too). Anyhoo the trainer would work with these horses and start to see improvement but then the owners would come out and literally ruin them in one visit. The husband was pretty good but the wife had her own ideas (kept bringing them alphalfa which the did not need) and wouldn't listen to the trainer. This woman was kicked a few times by the filly and could never understand why. It was a total waste of time for the trainer. You must learn how to correct properly and follow through every time.
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    12-13-2012, 07:00 PM
Ok. I will try the tactic with the dressage whip tonight.
    12-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Thank you everyone for their ideas!
    12-13-2012, 07:22 PM
Green Broke
You're welcome, and truly the best of luck! Stick with it every time, and you'll not only see the improvements, but enjoy your horse all the more! A very hearty welcome to the forum as well :)
    12-13-2012, 07:26 PM
To get a visual of what is being described, just watch any Julie goodnight or Clinton Anderson video- 99% of the time they show a horse who lacks respect being taught who is in charge... Both shows can be seen online. There are videos that teach/show groundwork, round pen work etc.

I say this with a disclaimer though: videos are great to watch but with an aggressive horse I wouldn't advise self teaching and trying it out on your boy! But if you watch how/what is taught it can help you find the right trainer, be more familiar with the steps, etc.

Both horse trainers I mention have articles you can read too... These can help you understand the philosophy behind the actions, or at least for me they helped.

I have a young horse and am on my second trainer for only the second week and I'm already seeing bad behaviors this new trainer allows (not making horse stand still, letting horse drop her head and graze whenever she wants, ignoring nips). I am going to meet with another trainer tmrw b/c any progress I make is being undone during the handling before and after schooling and allllll day long... ( trainer owns stable I'm boarder at).

Just stay safe, that's what's most important :)

Good luck, glad you posted.
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