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        12-13-2012, 06:28 PM
    Thanks, I am too!
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        12-13-2012, 06:53 PM
    Pretty good advice so far.

    I think one thing to keep in mind is that dominant horses can control the movement of other horses, usually through body language, but reinforced with a bite or kick. So if you want your horse to move sideways or backup, the horse should do so willingly without much pressure (that's the goal, anyway). If the horse doesn't move, increase the pressure until you get a positive response. As soon as the horse moves, release the pressure.

    If your horse is stepping on you, that is another sign of dominance, and you should be responding with a quick, hard smack (in my opinion, anyway).

    Any physical correction needs to be immediate and brief. Otherwise the horse won't connect it with the behaviour.

    Working with someone who's handled aggressive horses is really best. Personally I've never retrained one - just kept my own from developing issues. If you work with someone, you'll learn way more than reading our advice!

    Good luck!
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        12-13-2012, 07:00 PM
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    I am in no way trying to be rude. Hope everything works out and he gets through this but........................ If it were my horse, if the come to Jesus meeting didn't work, he would be going to be with Jesus.
        12-13-2012, 07:03 PM
    Green Broke
    I have a question for you all because I really do wonder. If you carry a whip with you and correct him, will he get better or just learn to not act that way until you do not have a whip with you??? Makes me wonder.
        12-13-2012, 07:42 PM
    Green Broke
    I don't carry a whip with me. I take a crop when riding and have one when lunging. I have learned how to correct without a whip. And although he still tests me he doesn't get away with much. He needs to know you mean business without the aid of a whip. I have Learned how to see when he is going to try something and nip it in the bud
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        12-13-2012, 07:55 PM
    Green Broke
    I don't have to carry a whip. I'll grab whatever is around, IF I get something. Once she really gets the behavior turned around she shouldn't have to carry the whip. She can just smack him...
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        12-13-2012, 08:07 PM
    Green Broke
    I don't carry a whip either - only as a visual aid while lungeing. I've found that even in her worst 'mare moments' a sharp smack with a loud, "Quit!" immediately solves the issue, then we carry on nicely :)
        12-13-2012, 08:18 PM
    Green Broke
    Made me think of this thread..................
    How do you fix a dangerous, agressive horsee
        12-14-2012, 01:00 AM
    With the food aggression what I did with my horses was if they got aggressive with their food when I was putting it out I would not let them near it till they stayed back and wasn't aggressive about it. Now mine weren't aggressive like yours but want to get in there right away, I took their feed dish into the round pen, let them in and I stood in front of it with a training stick and kept them away from it when they tried to get to it.......once they stopped trying then I would walk away and let them eat. Now when I put their hay out with a sled, they all walk nicely and wait for the hay to hit the ground before they can touch it, if it's on the sled they get a whap across the nose, doesn't take them long to figure out that they aren't allowed to take off the sled.....
        12-14-2012, 01:54 AM
    One thing to add to this is that it's possible the horse may have some pain issues, too. Don't get me wrong, I am in total agreement that this is very dangerous behavior and needs correcting immediately. Should never have gotten this far before being taken seriously.

    But, it's possible that there is some kind of lowgrade and constant pain that is making the hrose have a very sour and defensive attitude to begin with. An ulcer or a very bad misalingmnent of the poll or pelvis, a sore back due to an illfitting saddle, or kissing spines, can make a hrose very crabby. The way the OP described it, his demeanor changed from sweet to angry. So, this is something to think about. Horses can't tell us they are in pain except by acting out.

    But, I do agree that the behavior must not be tolerated.

    The OP mentioned that she corrects his behavior in the crossties. But, if she is actually correcting it, then it would not recurr. What might actually be happening, and it might be happening in other intereactions, is that she nags on him. She snaps the lead and maybe he stops for a sec. Or, she verbally upbraids him, and he stops for a sec. But, he 's back to doing the No-no thing in just a bit, and NOT A THING has changed. Except that the horse sees such corrections as no more than irritants. A fly is an irritant, and a horse will swish it away, or bite it away. And that may be how the horse is viewing this owner; and irritant.

    It may be that she has never really seen how a good trainer will address some bad behavior, and with what force and clarity, persistance and patience . . Until a real change takes place. So many folks, and I can include myself in this, just kind of go through the motions of disciplining our horses, but we aren't really doing what it takes to make a change. That way we wouldn't always have to kee revisiting the same darn issues , over and over again. For some hroses, revisiting these things in the half hearted manner I just described drives them out of their gourds, and they react with complete disdain for the human.
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