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    05-14-2012, 02:21 PM
  #11
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A horse flinging itself into walls injuring itself is not normal behavior, IMO. Pacing, screaming, pawing and rearing, kicking maybe. But, not totally self destructive behavior. I would be worried about turning her out unless you have a stallion pen with high and safe fencing. This behavior may not improve outside.

I agree with a trainer and DO worry that she may have been "calmed" by the previous owners to make a sale. Tread carefully as there really are dangerous horses. Do not put yourself in harms way, if you can help it.

I would consult the previous owners but really doubt you will get much help there, even if the horse has a bad history. It will likely go like this....."she was always SO well behaved here" "What have YOU done to her?" Even if this horse had crippled three of her previous trainers.

Be very careful and approach this situation realistically and with your eyes wide open. I don't mean to scare you, but I don't want you to get harmed.
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    05-14-2012, 02:26 PM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Lakotababii    
Horses do not inherently know to behave at shows. If they did, they would never need to practice, or be exposed to so many different things. They need to be TAUGHT to behave in new environments. Thus why green horses have trouble with shows or on trails, they are unsure of what is going on.

And besides, this is WAY different than a show or trail ride. She is not with her old owners, whom she knew. She is not around other horses she knows (as many show horses are brought to shows in groups of their herds, and not on their own) and she does not yet have comfort in her new owner or surroundings. WAY different than going to a show.
whenever I have bought a horse and brought it home I just rode and never had any problems same with first show. Getting use to things and going crazy are 2 different things doesn't make sense to me. People buy horses all the time and don't have issues like that and dangerous
     
    05-14-2012, 02:36 PM
  #13
Yearling
Yes, some horses adjust well, others do not. You have been lucky, your horses were ones that adjust well and were trained to be calm in new situations.

This horse is different. I've had horses, like you, that adjust fabulously, and you can take them anywhere, do anything with them, they are awesome (those are usually horses who have been exposed to shows). I've had horses that, like I mentioned, freak the heck out, forget all their training, and have melt downs. I call it a good training opportunity. I've also had horses who do an in between, nervous, but controllable, tiny freak out where they just need to be left alone for a day or two and then they turn into their normal happy selves.

My point being: This doesn't mean the horse was drugged, or is dangerous NECESSARILY. Notice, I said "give her a few days." That means if it IS adjustment issues (which I really do believe it may be) then it will clear up in a few days. The point is that she has not given the mare adequate time to adjust, nor does she know the mare well enough to know what is normal.

If she is still like this in a week, I would definitely question something. But just because she is freaking out in her stall does not mean that she was drugged or is going to be a monster. Either of those is possible, of course, but it is way too early to make that sort of determination. Just the fact that mare calms down when she is comforted by her new owner leads me to believe it is in fact an adjustment thing and not an aggression thing.
     
    05-14-2012, 02:50 PM
  #14
Trained
Was she drugged when you went to look at her and pick her up?
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    05-14-2012, 03:05 PM
  #15
Started
She could be exactly like mom's boss mare. Great with what she knows, relaxed in the normal routine of life. Make a good lead line pony for kids even. But put her outside her comfort zone, watch out. She has to be drugged at the vet because she is so nervous. Wide eyed, freaked out, panicked, shaking, trying to escape. Tried to leave her at the vet overnight two years ago (there was a stallion there and she had not come into heat yet and it was the end of April) to see if being near a stallion would get her to start cycling so she could be bred AI. She busted the stall apart and had sustained some mild injuries. She also runs around like an idiot screaming when you leave her in the pasture and are out of sight with anyone from the herd. But once something is a routine, she accepts it and it no longer bothers her. But drastic changes, being put in a stall with strange horses nearby with nothing familiar, she is a nightmare to leave unattended. This is how she has been for the 10 years that my mom has owned her. I have done a lot of work with her, but you can't stop some behaviors/reactions when they are in a stall or pasture and left to their own devices. New trailers are introduced, and once she has been worked with that trailer, she loads without any effort. Going for a trail ride is no problem, she knows the routine, scenic trailhead, tied to trailer while being groomed and tacked up as well as one of the pasture buddies along side her.

Make a routine, something predictable, that she expects. It sounds like her problem comes when someone is taken from their stall that is her trigger for going bonkers.

I wish you luck
     
    05-14-2012, 03:24 PM
  #16
Weanling
So many things can be the blame for why this mare is acting like she is. Can also be a mixture of things. Not only did you take her from a home she has known to a new place You slapped her between 2 horses she didnt know then took off for a ride. Not saying its bad but horses like people can suffer from anxiety, and yes this can cause a horse to throw itself into walls( Probably rearing and spinning ). Mares are just sooo tempermental. And who knows she may also be in the beginning of her heat cycle to boot. What ever the reason it needs to be delt with.
Turning her out in a small paddock ALONE for a few days so she can watch what is going on around her. Keep a routine ( Horses are creature of habit and routine ) if she's still a B%$# I would see about placing her on REGU MATE . She's way past the MARE CALM stuff lol.
After a few days start lunging her for a bit. If you can seek a experienced trainer. Someone with a calm but firm hand.
For future buying
Go see horse visit again multiple times if you can.
Purchase on a trial bases ( CONTRACT CONTRACT CONTRACT)
Vet check with Blood Work

I wish you luck be patient firm and careful and please just try and give her some time. I would definitely turn her out alone for quite some time as she may be easily too attached to others ( Buddy Sour )

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    05-14-2012, 03:25 PM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
I don't agree with new surroundings and needing adjustment time. How could you ever go to a show or on a trail ride.No horse should go crazy. I expect them to behave and if anything they might be a little depressed with a new home but shouldn't be dangerous. I suspect she may have been drugged and she sounds like she is going to be a problem and someone or another horse may get hurt. Turn her out alone but I wouldn't put the others in danger. I would contact the old owners and get more information.
I agree with you to a point, but there are some different variables at play here.
     
    05-14-2012, 03:47 PM
  #18
Banned
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Originally Posted by Lakotababii    
Horses do not inherently know to behave at shows. If they did, they would never need to practice, or be exposed to so many different things. They need to be TAUGHT to behave in new environments. Thus why green horses have trouble with shows or on trails, they are unsure of what is going on.

And besides, this is WAY different than a show or trail ride. She is not with her old owners, whom she knew. She is not around other horses she knows (as many show horses are brought to shows in groups of their herds, and not on their own) and she does not yet have comfort in her new owner or surroundings. WAY different than going to a show.
Some of mine were bad due to being spoiled rotten.
     
    05-14-2012, 03:48 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
Was she drugged when you went to look at her and pick her up?
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Wow....good question.
     
    05-14-2012, 04:14 PM
  #20
Green Broke
I'm sorry but a horse flinging herself Into stall walls and doors is not normal behavior and is totally unacceptable. Maybe she isn't adjusted in her new place yet but that behavior is deadly...I'd turn her out and see how she does. I'm sure she will calm down but, she may have been drugged.

My mare was a bit nervous in the trailer on the way home when I got her after her leaving her home of 2 years. She suddenly started rearing on the lead and became buddy sour with another mare. She was in heat and I ended up putting her on raspberry leaves plus she's been here for 2 months now and she's settled down alot. Give her time, if it doesn't stop then worry.
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