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post #21 of 31 Old 05-14-2012, 03:28 PM Thread Starter
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A horse flinging itself into walls injuring itself is not normal behavior, IMO. Pacing, screaming, pawing and rearing, kicking maybe. But, not totally self destructive behavior. I would be worried about turning her out unless you have a stallion pen with high and safe fencing. This behavior may not improve outside.

I agree with a trainer and DO worry that she may have been "calmed" by the previous owners to make a sale. Tread carefully as there really are dangerous horses. Do not put yourself in harms way, if you can help it.

I would consult the previous owners but really doubt you will get much help there, even if the horse has a bad history. It will likely go like this....."she was always SO well behaved here" "What have YOU done to her?" Even if this horse had crippled three of her previous trainers.

Be very careful and approach this situation realistically and with your eyes wide open. I don't mean to scare you, but I don't want you to get harmed.

Thank you very much! At least someone else see's this, I KNOW about adjusting and new horses and such but MY LORD what I saw that horse doing was INSANE to say the least.

AND I am not one of those people that say poor thing she's crazy bc she was abused, I KNOW she was. Her whole body was shaking around my dad and neighbor, everytime you raise your arm above your shoulder she jerks back, and if someone is walking behind you carrying ANYTHING she's constantly looking back NERVOUS.

I know what a spoiled horse is too, and I think all the girl did that I bought her from was build her trust with her and nothing else. No WORK, No Ground Manners, nothing that would keep someone from getting hurt.

And I'd love to just turn her out with the others and let her adjust but what if she doesn't....running through the fence would be a piece of cake for her compared to what she did to the stalls. I want to give her a chance but its waaay more comlicated than working through a couple issues or simply letting her get comfortable in her surroundings. Then I don't want to just sell her to someone who wouldn't work with her through this. She's dangerous for me and the kids who'll be at my barn, but it seems there's a really sweet horse inside of her just getting her to calm down long enough to think

Yes and I have gotten that exact response........she has NEVER done that there. WEll no duh that's because you've never done anything w her but spoil her bc she was scared when she came to you....making my end even worse than when that girl got her!!!
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post #22 of 31 Old 05-14-2012, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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I don't think she's been drugged but its possible, b/c I went and rode her twice and I NEVER saw one red flag. Maybe her anxiety kicked in & she has a dangerous way of dealing with it. How can I fix this though after she does get settled, it seems like she'll be very insecure. How and what can I do to keep her from hurting herself when we do ride the others and not her?
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Of the two mares I have, my 2 year old came home, totally calm, settled in in no time, first time in a stall acted like she'd been in one every day. Separated her from her buddies she's always been with, she called and ran for 5 minutes, then went to eat.

My new mare had been in with one other gelding and a bunch of cows for 3 years. Never in a barn. Personality that gets attached to other horses and doesnt like change. She was calm when I saw her, but a nut case when I got her home. Calling, screaming, kicking, trying desparately to escape any stall, rearing in the stall. She would have done what your mare did if I left her in the stall alone. Now she has settled back down, is super quiet, bottom of the pecking order.

Horses are individuals. Yes, the behavior was unacceptable. You may need the help of a trainer for a few sessions.

Going to a show with handlers they have a relationship with, in tack they are used to, often with horses they know is different than being separated from absolutely EVERYTHING that is familiar. Some cope, other come unglued. Just give her a bit of time before you make any decisions.
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If you have a large paddock, riding arena, I'd turn her out with the horse she is beside. It sounds like she has formed a strong bond and is scared to death when it leaves. With this much fear there is no thinking. A large fenced in area will give the horses a chance to move about and settle down. If after a few weeks she is still fearful when the others leave why not pony her? We used to ride trails with no traffic and just let the unridden horse come along. She would run off maybe 50 yards but we just ignored her and kept riding. She quickly catch up.
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Of the two mares I have, my 2 year old came home, totally calm, settled in in no time, first time in a stall acted like she'd been in one every day. Separated her from her buddies she's always been with, she called and ran for 5 minutes, then went to eat.

My new mare had been in with one other gelding and a bunch of cows for 3 years. Never in a barn. Personality that gets attached to other horses and doesnt like change. She was calm when I saw her, but a nut case when I got her home. Calling, screaming, kicking, trying desparately to escape any stall, rearing in the stall. She would have done what your mare did if I left her in the stall alone. Now she has settled back down, is super quiet, bottom of the pecking order.

Horses are individuals. Yes, the behavior was unacceptable. You may need the help of a trainer for a few sessions.

Going to a show with handlers they have a relationship with, in tack they are used to, often with horses they know is different than being separated from absolutely EVERYTHING that is familiar. Some cope, other come unglued. Just give her a bit of time before you make any decisions.

I am so stressed on what to do so thanks that makes me feel better
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If you have a large paddock, riding arena, I'd turn her out with the horse she is beside. It sounds like she has formed a strong bond and is scared to death when it leaves. With this much fear there is no thinking. A large fenced in area will give the horses a chance to move about and settle down. If after a few weeks she is still fearful when the others leave why not pony her? We used to ride trails with no traffic and just let the unridden horse come along. She would run off maybe 50 yards but we just ignored her and kept riding. She quickly catch up.
I thought the same thing although this is the horse she tried to take a hunk out of as we walked through the barn isle. And pony her was my first thought to get her used to our land but with her attacking mine I can't.

I did get in touch with a great trainer who's coming over today, to ride her while I ride mine to see if it helps a little. He's also going to see if he thinks its fear or just aggression. Or if he thinks she's too much for my barn I'm hoping she's better by the time I get off work today
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I am not one of those people that say poor thing she's crazy bc she was abused, I KNOW she was. Her whole body was shaking around my dad and neighbor, everytime you raise your arm above your shoulder she jerks back, and if someone is walking behind you carrying ANYTHING she's constantly looking back NERVOUS.

I know what a spoiled horse is too, and I think all the girl did that I bought her from was build her trust with her and nothing else. No WORK, No Ground Manners, nothing that would keep someone from getting hurt.

And I'd love to just turn her out with the others and let her adjust but what if she doesn't....running through the fence would be a piece of cake for her compared to what she did to the stalls. I want to give her a chance but its waaay more comlicated than working through a couple issues or simply letting her get comfortable in her surroundings. Then I don't want to just sell her to someone who wouldn't work with her through this. She's dangerous for me and the kids who'll be at my barn, but it seems there's a really sweet horse inside of her just getting her to calm down long enough to think

Yes and I have gotten that exact response........she has NEVER done that there. WEll no duh that's because you've never done anything w her but spoil her bc she was scared when she came to you....making my end even worse than when that girl got her!!!
So you're having a snit fit at us because you didn't give us all this information in the first post? Nice.

If you're so experienced and already figured out what's wrong, why did you come to the board about it?

I still say unless you saw the abuse first hand, not heard it from someone else, or presumed it merely by the way the horse is acting, you have NO PROOF the animal was abused.

People fling 'abused' and 'rescued' around all the time and they've gotten to mean squat any more.
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Thank you very much! At least someone else see's this, I KNOW about adjusting and new horses and such but MY LORD what I saw that horse doing was INSANE to say the least.

AND I am not one of those people that say poor thing she's crazy bc she was abused, I KNOW she was. Her whole body was shaking around my dad and neighbor, everytime you raise your arm above your shoulder she jerks back, and if someone is walking behind you carrying ANYTHING she's constantly looking back NERVOUS.

I know what a spoiled horse is too, and I think all the girl did that I bought her from was build her trust with her and nothing else. No WORK, No Ground Manners, nothing that would keep someone from getting hurt.

You could have just described my horse to a T with this stuff. He was an absolute monster to work with for the first few months. Through patience and training, he has become an absolute JOY to be around.

From your first post to now, I understand more why this mare is being this way. She is a project for sure. She was spoiled and allowed to do what she wanted so now she throws tantrums. That is probably not going to go away with just time, she needs major training.

But from your posts, it seems me and you differ on one big thing. I knew I was getting a project with my gelding. You either didn't think this mare was one, or just didn't think it would be as bad as it is.

So if that be the case, you could sell her for sure, but expect losses. Your going to have to sell her as a dangerous horse if you don't keep her. She's going to need to go to someone who has high levels of experience and who can turn her around, and I'm betting they won't pay much for her. If you don't feel confident or competent that you can "fix" her though, then please just sell her. It is not worth you getting hurt over.

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post #29 of 31 Old 05-16-2012, 11:05 AM
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She has some serious anxiety issues. I do know that my always well behaved horse acts like a danger when confined to a stall out of sight of her friends, so I just don't do it. I'd put her out for sure and let her adjust that way. See what she's like in a week or even two. Some even take a couple of months to really adjust. But if you find that she just isn't the right horse for you, that's ok too. These types can sometimes turn out to be really good horses though, if you have the patience to wait out the adjustment phase. Hopefully that's all it is. She has just been traumatized by moving. Remember horses bond deeply with other horses and she might be missing her friends terribly. They are all different unique individuals just like people.
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post #30 of 31 Old 05-16-2012, 11:24 AM
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All horses are different and react to issues in whatever way they see fit.

Big Bert HATED being in a stall with a passion, and also had serious issues with being on her own. If I had brought her home, put her in a stall with two horses as company, and then taken the other two out and left her alone I have no doubt what so ever that she would have tried to wreck the place.

It is so hard to know with a new horse, getting a handle on what makes them tick, how much is just the change of home, and how much is because the last owner drugged them, well who knows.

You have a load of advice been given, good luck hope she settles down.
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