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        03-30-2013, 11:21 PM
      #31
    Foal
    Hey again. We rode her again today. She is doing awesome! So I mounted up the first time, let her sit a few seconds, then had someone lead her around the arena, while I directed her with reins. She did good for a while, then my I reached up with both hands and adjusted me helmet, and she spooked. She didn't try to get me off or anything, just kinda spun around real fast(circles, not pivots) and it caught me off guard and three me back a bit. I knew that if I tryed to stay on, I'd end up under her, so I rolled forward off her shoulder, and then she was fine. So we took her back to the mounting block, and I had my leg over her, and about half my weight on her when she decided she'd had enough and spun again in circles. I fell back. Then after that I got on, and we walked for a few more minutes, and through another spook. ( a tractor). Then I dismounted and she got groomed. I rode her bareback.
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        03-30-2013, 11:21 PM
      #32
    Foal
    Sorry, those are super huge.
         
        03-31-2013, 08:03 PM
      #33
    Started
    I know you don't want to hear this but from what I'm reading here your doing way too much too fast. It's going to end up with you injured and large holes in her training. You need to work on one thing at a time and get her solid with that. You should still be working on earning her trust and sensitizing her to objects and yourself with pressure and release and your hopping on her back waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before she is ready. You want to go to the hospital cause your heading there. And if she does hurt you with you getting on her too fast you wont be able to get back on her and when you heal up she will be darn near impossible to get on again becuase she won. So work on trust for a few weeks if you keep pushing her like this she's going to blow soon. Just work on trust, picking up her feet, flexing, yeilding her fore and hind quarters, lunging for short periods of time with lots of lead changes because you don't want to go in one direction for too long. The start saddling her and leading her around a bit. Look into ground driving you need to do that for a bit before you ride. You want a lot of control when you ride. Training a horses takes months not weeks slow way down and go back to the very basics. Also just because a horse acts a certain way it does not mean it abused and even if she was abused its not an excuse for bad behavior in my book. I've owned an actual abused horse and like then others said if she actually was abused then your especially in danger here becuase certain things can trigger fear and send them over the absolute edge. Please be careful and slow down ok. Be safe training a fearful horse is dangerous I'm training one right now. This horse has been rode before and I've been working with him for a month do you think I've been on his back? The answer is No. I'm working with eliminating his fearfulness and gaining trust and filling in the holes in his orginal training. You need to be doing the same. With time and consitancy will come trust once you have true trust instead of compliance from fear that's when the real training happens. I guarantee the mare is just sucking in and taking it for now which is very dangerous. Be safe and good luck.
         
        03-31-2013, 09:25 PM
      #34
    Foal
    Ok. That's your way, this is mine.

    I am working with several expeirienced horsepeople! Two of which have expeirience in this feild. Please just trust that if something comes up, I have several people to help. All of us truly beleive she's fine with where we have her. And we DO do a lot of lungeing, and flexing, and yeilding. Do you think I'd trust her enough to be on her either f we didn't? No. So please back off. Like I have said before, you have your opinion, I havve mine, and several others.
         
        03-31-2013, 09:33 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    Ouch, Millie, I haven't read the whole thread, but I don't think that Peppy meant anything by what she said. Your response reads as kinda snippy.

    Don't get me wrong, I've received some responses on my rescue ponies and how I work with them, including the "ah the old abused horses BS...", and they were a lot more deserving of your response than what Peppy said! ;)
         
        03-31-2013, 10:42 PM
      #36
    Trained
    Demon, it seems millie obviously knows better than everyone & doesn't want any comments on what she's doing if it's not praise. Seems this thread is just to tell people that she's 'Rescued' an 'Abused Horse'.
         
        04-01-2013, 12:58 AM
      #37
    Started
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    Originally Posted by MillieSantana    
    Ok. That's your way, this is mine.

    I am working with several expeirienced horsepeople! Two of which have expeirience in this feild. Please just trust that if something comes up, I have several people to help. All of us truly beleive she's fine with where we have her. And we DO do a lot of lungeing, and flexing, and yeilding. Do you think I'd trust her enough to be on her either f we didn't? No. So please back off. Like I have said before, you have your opinion, I havve mine, and several others.
    So I gave you legit training advice from my years of studying training and what I've learn from my own personal experience of training young horses, a legitimate abused horse, and fearful dangerous horses. And you want to get snippy because I didn't tell you your the greatest trainer EVER!!! I gave you sound advice to keep you out of the hospital so excuse me I showed you any concern for your safety. But your right obviously you know what your doing cause you force compliance through fear on an already terrified horse. Lets not give the poor horse any true understanding lets rush training so she'll be a complete mess to ride and later those large gaping holes you left in her training will only get worse as she ages. And sooner rather than later she'll blow and then she'll hurt you or someone else and become a holy terror to train even worse then she was before hand. And then you'll think maybe just maybe as you sit in your hospital bed that perhaps peppy was just trying to keep me safe but it will be too late then. A true horse trainer can consider the advice of the more experienced without being defensive like a child, when people give me advice and constructive critisism I ask questions. I don't have to follow to the letter the advice given but perhaps there is something helpful that can be adapted to better my horse training skills. Its glaringly obvious your an inexperienced horse trainer and so are the suppossed "experienced" people around you or you wouldn't be on this horses back after a few weeks of "training". So good luck to you. My apologies for trying to help you and keep you from injury. Hope you don't get killed, disfigured, or broken bones from this or completely ruin this mare. I hope it works out for you I really do. But remember when she blows I tried to keep it from going there. I hope you make safe choices........
         
        04-01-2013, 01:26 AM
      #38
    Started
    I just saw that you were a teenager now I get the whole I know "EVERYTHING" complex comes from. I'm 26 years old so I'm double your age put together, please consider the advice of the more experienced who's gone through the whole invincibility of the teenage years. Even with your young age you can get SEVERELY injured here I'm not trying to be mean to you. I want this to be an enjoyable safe experience for you not one that breaks your bones or puts your in the hospital from injury, or kills you. I hope you understand that. I started learning how to train at your age as well but this is a lot of problem horse for someone of your experience just trust me on this. I suffer from chronic pain from a neck injury that will never go away. I have to live with that the rest of my life I would hate for that to happen to you. You need a real experienced trainer here one that can teach you how benificial it is to train slowly. I've been slowly preparing my colt Jet to be ridden when he is old enough for almost 2 years now. Everything I teach I take slow and I look for true understanding before I move to something else. I want him to be a well behaved horse as he ages and I want him to be easy to saddle break which he will be because I've taken the time to make sure he UNDERSTANDS what I expect of him. And becuase I do this I have his trust and he does what I ask of him even when he's uncertain becuase he trusts me as his leader. I gave you advice becuase I want you to have that kind of relationship with your horse which makes you not only a better trainer but you'll have a safer and closer relationship with your horse. Even I ask questions on here from time to time becuase there is such a wealth of knowlege on here from people who have been training longer that me and they can give me a fresh perspective and its helped me a lot if you give it a chance the forum can be the same for you as well. I'm not a perfect horse trainer I make mistakes too but I try to soak in all I can to become better and improve myself. I love to learn and the people of the horseforum have taught me a lot as well.
         
        04-01-2013, 07:25 PM
      #39
    Foal
    I didn't mean to sound snippy, I really didn't, and I'm sorry. I'm just saying that you guys don't have to jump on me with all this "gaping holes in her training" and everything else. I just don't think it's right for you to jump on someone from what you read on an online forum. I wish you guys could just meet this horse, that would probably clear up a lot. I do appreciate ya'lls concern, and trust, we DO do a lot of desensitizing, but we can't think of everything all the time, so when things come up and she DOES spook at something, we take the time to go back and desensitize. When she spooked because of my helmet, we rubbed her down with it, rustled it, etc.
         
        04-01-2013, 07:57 PM
      #40
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MillieSantana    
    I just don't think it's right for you to jump on someone from what you read on an online forum. .... When she spooked because of my helmet, we rubbed her down with it, rustled it, etc.
    Well, I personally didn't take any of what was offered as 'jumping on'... at least until the last poster. You're right that of course only having info in writing to go on, leaves a lot to assumption, so we can't possibly *know* what's going on. But from your own words, it doesn't sound like it's going as smoothly as you seem to think. And as it seems we've all 'assumed' the same conclusion from your words, it's possible there may be something in it & worth considering?

    Eg. Your last comment above - IME the horse *didn't* spook at your helmet specifically, but it seems to me, because she doesn't sound truly ready for all you're doing, that would have been just a 'final straw' thing. It's not about the helmet(or whatever) but is one indication that the foundations aren't solid &/or she's under too much mental stress IME. For eg. I'm not a very emotional person generally, but if I'm over tired, my kids are upset or hurt and things seem too hard or frustrating... then I might even burst into tears because I spilled the milk - but it's not about the milk.

    But whatever, I know you don't want any advice & opinions on what you're doing, you just want to tell your story. Just that doing it on a training forum is not likely to get you... quiet acceptance!
         

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