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        04-01-2013, 07:58 PM
      #41
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by MillieSantana    
    I didn't mean to sound snippy, I really didn't, and I'm sorry. I'm just saying that you guys don't have to jump on me with all this "gaping holes in her training" and everything else. I just don't think it's right for you to jump on someone from what you read on an online forum. I wish you guys could just meet this horse, that would probably clear up a lot. I do appreciate ya'lls concern, and trust, we DO do a lot of desensitizing, but we can't think of everything all the time, so when things come up and she DOES spook at something, we take the time to go back and desensitize. When she spooked because of my helmet, we rubbed her down with it, rustled it, etc.
    No this is what I was refering to earlier.

    "I'm just waiting for a blow up. If this is truly an abused horse.. you'll find a button that triggers a big reaction. To me this sounds more like "going through the motions" than actually making progress."

    And it's only going to get worse if you continue to treat this horse by just going through the motions instead of drilling down and dealing with the problems. Luckily this was a small blow up.

    The horse wasn't paying attention, it heard a noise, it panicked.. and then you allowed her to panic further instead of showing her she was okay.

    Too much too fast. Work on the trust and leadership between you two before you keep doing things on her back. That isn't going to help her right now, from what I've read.

    I've weighed in.
         
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        04-01-2013, 09:51 PM
      #42
    Foal
    Ok. Thank you for explaining that. But in my defense, you guys did sound pretty snippy too.

    But I will spend more time desensitizing and thank you for your suggestions.
         
        04-01-2013, 10:59 PM
      #43
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    Originally Posted by MillieSantana    
    I didn't mean to sound snippy, I really didn't, and I'm sorry. I'm just saying that you guys don't have to jump on me with all this "gaping holes in her training" and everything else. I just don't think it's right for you to jump on someone from what you read on an online forum. I wish you guys could just meet this horse, that would probably clear up a lot. I do appreciate ya'lls concern, and trust, we DO do a lot of desensitizing, but we can't think of everything all the time, so when things come up and she DOES spook at something, we take the time to go back and desensitize. When she spooked because of my helmet, we rubbed her down with it, rustled it, etc.
    It's not my intention to make you feel jumped on. It's hard to feel the true emotion coveyed from text. I did get a little sarcastic I apologize and for the other stuff that wasn't sarcasm it was legit concern and blunt truth only. It is not my intention to attack you. Im feel bad for the second post I put I got annoyed as I thought you were an adult and you came off as stubborn and unwilling to take any kind of advice to me so let's just let bygones be bygones as far as that goes. Which is why I hope you noticed the tone change in my third post once I realized your age. So just so you know this is not me attacking you I'm just trying to be serious and talk to you to express that your in danger here. I understand you care for this animal and that your truly want to help her and you have made some small progress here. But I don't have to see her in person to know she has huge holes in her training. You've only been working with her a few weeks and you've put too much in too little time just by what you said you've done with her lately. If I were to see her I'd know what I'd see a horse withdrawing inside of itself going through the motions with no real understanding. You've given her zero time to master and understand anything a few weeks may feel long to you but its not for a horse especially for one that doesn't trust humans. Your putting too much expectation on her. She doesn't truly have a clue what your doing because your doing a lot to her all at once. You need to do one thing at a time she's not ready for you to be on her back probably for a few months. If you get her solid on the ground where she understands what you expect of her she'll quit spooking so much cause she'll trust you. You need to be doing ground work only. And I want you too learn about how to ground drive a horse properly this will prepare her for you to ride. She could spook and fall over and crush you do you understand that? You gotta slow down here and look at how others train and enlist the help of an experienced horse trainer who gives lessons as well. That is how I learned a lot of my horse training and as you get older and realize your mortal you'll realize taking a risk of falling isn't worth it. You don't bounce as good when you get older. . Case in point that spooky and untrusting horse I told you about took off with me and I was just wanting to put my weight in the stirrup and get him used to it I wasn't even going to ride him and I had to jump off well I jumped wrong and tore a meniscus in my knee. Injury happens that quick. I can't ride for a few month now. I mean it for your safety I really do. Be safe and slow down, that mare will respect you more for it. Work on mastering one thing at a time. Good luck to you.
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        04-02-2013, 12:56 AM
      #44
    Trained
    Peppy, pardon being picky, but it does make it a bit difficult to read your posts without adequate punctuation.
         
        04-02-2013, 01:04 AM
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    Peppy, pardon being picky, but it does make it a bit difficult to read your posts without adequate punctuation.
    It's because I'm on my phone. I miss the punctuation lol. I get in the typing zone I try to go back and fix it when I'm on my phone but I was too busy and lazy this time. I should of replied with my computer, then I can type without making terrible punctuation mistakes. I swear I can type and have a college degree I went back and read what I put shameful, bad Peppy. Imagine the punctuation is there it helps lol.
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        04-14-2013, 09:24 AM
      #46
    Foal
    Sorry I didn't update last weekend, it got pretty busy. But anyway, last weekend we did nonstop desensitizing. She no longer cares about her back legs being touched, she's not scared on rattling chains or chain-link fences. This weekend I tied a plastic bag to my handy stick and rattled it, and after some approach and retreat, she sniffed it. Then she was fine with it. Next weekend we're going to try to get her to walk over a tarp, and possibly load into a trailer!
         
        04-14-2013, 09:53 AM
      #47
    Showing
    I'm confused. Who is Millie? You state that Millie was a national champion barrel horse. Is that the same horse you are depicting in your saga? If so, somewhere along the line someone let her take control and failed to provide leadership. Her rib sensitivity could mean she was originally trained to move with a feather light touch, nothing to do with being heavily kicked or spurred.
         
        04-14-2013, 10:08 AM
      #48
    Foal
    No, I'm speaking of Cocoa(Whitehorse around the barn), who I am rebreaking/gentling/whatever-you-want-to-call-it for her older owner, who is not in good enough health to do it himself. Millie is my mare.
         
        04-14-2013, 03:31 PM
      #49
    Foal
    It looks like a very nice girl your new horse, and sounds like it too. But I would agree with those suggesting you to go a bit slower with her, because you are really asking a lot (I know you work with experienced horsemen, but that is unfortunately not a guarantee that theye are also good horsemen - by all respect).
    I think your mare looks like she needs more time to get physically strong because she looks very fragile and way too thin in my opinion - she also obviously does not have a lot of muscles, and the horses need time to build good muscles. The point is that you risk she will someday reach the point where she gets pain during the training - especially when riding.
    It could also be that she is stressed even though se acts relatively calm according to your descriptions - at least her eyes look quite sad I think. So if I where you I would try to give her some more time - just to be sure. I mean, there is no hurry, because she is young and you can spend many years together if you take good care of each other. She does look like a kind horse so you seem to have been lucky.
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        04-14-2013, 03:50 PM
      #50
    Foal
    It's just the angle that I was able to get those awkward-looking photos that she looks a little unmuscled(i'm making up a new word). She came from her owners place a little overweight, and has since trimmed down. I will try to get some pics that show her muscles, because and awesome, lean, muscular build. And I agree, experienced doesn't mean good sometimes. I'm not sure how she can look sad, she's always getting rubbed on and lots of attention.
         

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