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post #1 of 82 Old 06-23-2014, 11:11 AM Thread Starter
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advice for horse not turning where i want?

I know I have asked this before and I was hoping for some more ideas/information

Dixie fights me on turning -- but only at a trott
-- if I want to go left, she wants to go right
-- if I want to go right, she wants to go left

Do I work her harder and harder until she is compliant?
Do I get off her and lunge her?

Do I work her 30-45 minutes a day?
Do I work her 2-3 hours every other day?

Should I do circles? Figure 8's? Serpentines?

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Does she do it with everyone, or just you?

What is her background/training?

What cues do you use to say, "Turn right now"?
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I doubt that it will get better by doing the same thing, but doing it harder .

Are you direct reining or neck reining? What kind of bit was it?

When you turn at the walk, yoiu say that none of this happens? Can you walk a square? Can she turn on the huanches?

The reason I ask is that I may guess that she is overbending at the trot and her shoulders are "falling " out to opposite direction, so she goes that way, even though her head is bent in the direction you want to go? Kind of like a semi-truck that is jackknifing? Does this describe her?

The thing is you need to not over bend her. AND, she needs to learn to "follow her nose". Learning how to do turns on the haunches and ride true squares will help.
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Think of your balance. If you are not balanced correctly, you may be fighting against yourself if you try harder. While turning at a trot should be no harder than turning at a walk, it often ends up being so. Riders tend to become more tense when they are trotting than when they are walking. As a result, they tend to depend more on force than on subtle changes in balance and pressure.

Try to think about these things. Try to feel what you are doing when you turn at the walk. Compare this to what you are doing when you are trying to turn while trotting.

Working for shorter periods more often is generally more beneficial that working more seldom but for longer periods of time.
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Does she do it with everyone, or just you?

What is her background/training?

What cues do you use to say, "Turn right now"?
I am pretty much the only one that rides her
I am bought her nearly a year ago - so I don't have any background info

Lay outside rein on her neck (at a walk this turns her), squeeze outside leg, pull inside rein -- in that order


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I doubt that it will get better by doing the same thing, but doing it harder .

Are you direct reining or neck reining? What kind of bit was it?

When you turn at the walk, yoiu say that none of this happens? Can you walk a square? Can she turn on the huanches?

The reason I ask is that I may guess that she is overbending at the trot and her shoulders are "falling " out to opposite direction, so she goes that way, even though her head is bent in the direction you want to go? Kind of like a semi-truck that is jackknifing? Does this describe her?

The thing is you need to not over bend her. AND, she needs to learn to "follow her nose". Learning how to do turns on the haunches and ride true squares will help.

Using a loose ring snaffle

At a walk, I can turn her with just a neck rein, or I can turn her with just leg pressure --- I rarely have to use a direct rein anymore

I have never tried to walk a square

I don't know how to ask her to turn on her huanches

I am not sure what you mean by "falling", but when I do finally get her to turn the way I want, she drops her inside shoulder and turns real tight and fast (it is a pretty dramatic change)

Yes --- exactly like a semi hi-jacking -- wow tinyliny that is so accurate, like her hind in is steering her instead of her front end, it's pushing her along the way she wants to go
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Think of your balance. If you are not balanced correctly, you may be fighting against yourself if you try harder. While turning at a trot should be no harder than turning at a walk, it often ends up being so. Riders tend to become more tense when they are trotting than when they are walking. As a result, they tend to depend more on force than on subtle changes in balance and pressure.

Try to think about these things. Try to feel what you are doing when you turn at the walk. Compare this to what you are doing when you are trying to turn while trotting.

Working for shorter periods more often is generally more beneficial that working more seldom but for longer periods of time.
I am definitely not very balanced or coordinated at the trot --- something I am still working on and getting better at

My upper body is balanced and controlled, but from the waist down, it is all a mess
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I think you need lessons. There is more to riding properly that pulling on the reins.
Balance is so important. Maybe you could audit some clinics?
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I think you need lessons. There is more to riding properly that pulling on the reins.
Balance is so important. Maybe you could audit some clinics?
I have been taking lessons for 6 months
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Since you've posted this before and are still looking for advice, my suggestion would be to post a video.

I have the feeling you horse isn't understanding the cues exactly or you're sending mixed signals. A video would help us help you better.
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Since you've posted this before and are still looking for advice, my suggestion would be to post a video.

I have the feeling you horse isn't understanding the cues exactly or you're sending mixed signals. A video would help us help you better.
will try to get a video up when I can -- might be a week or so, depending on work and the weather

I don't think it is a matter of understanding the signals, she did the same thing to my trainer when she got on her --- nearly ran her into the tree line ... I think that was back in March when she did that
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