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        06-25-2014, 11:52 AM
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    Don't you just love this forum. I always learn a lot from threads like this.
    yeah I do

    I especially love the different perspectives and the different ways of stating the problem with the different solutions and explanations

    Even though most of them are inline with each other and compliment each other -- they show just enough variance to pick up some of the subtleties

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    Sahara: I need to control the different parts of the horse
    Cherie: she is rubbernecking and her shoulders are not following her head/neck

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        06-25-2014, 12:14 PM
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    Well, by not allowing her to do the wrong thing and excuse it because I wasn't keeping her busy? By expecting her to maintain herself within boundaries?

    I said you need to keep the horse's mind/focus/attention on you. You have the courtesy to keep your mind and focus on the horse until such time as you have a horse that is always in tune with you. I don't know how you don't allow her to do the wrong thing without keeping her busy? You expect her to maintain herself within boundaries because when she doesn't you get her attention back. Same thing.

    I'm simply not interested in having a horse who needs to be entertained in order to do what I want of her.

    I don't know where you got this idea. But if you are on a green horse or a horse that doesn't respond to your aids, you keep them busy, give them a job, get the focus on the rider or you are asking for an accident. I don't call that entertainment. I call that training.

    But at no time should you need to constantly give commands to your horse to 'keep him with you'. I consider that a fault in a horse.

    This makes absolutely no sense to me. You ride the horse that shows up that day. You do whatever you need to do to get at great ride with the horse. You support the horse as much or as little as you need to. Eventually you should get to a place where you can both relax and plug along at whatever pace you want. But horses don't start out that way. You need to train them. Constantly giving commands to the horse is training.

    I expect them to do what I ask and when I ask it and not to get distracted.

    Yes, and the way you get to that point is to be consistent, clear, and concise with your cues when the horse starts to think about doing its own thing. When the horse starts to get distracted you do whatever it takes to get his attention back on you. You don't wait for it to bolt across the desert, turn the wrong direction or lay down to get you off.
         

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