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    05-25-2009, 08:55 PM
Advice please.

Okay my three year old is not wanting to lunge at all, I've gotten her to lunge before but now any time I bring the whip into the arena she gets angry, I've never hit her with it so I'm thinking she may be afraid of it because of something that happened before I got her. (she's a rescue) How do I train her to lunge without the whip? I've even tried to just rub the whip all over her, but anytime I try to use it when I try to lunge her she throws her hips at me like she's going to kick me. I then pull the line to pull her face towards me, but I'm afraid sometime I'll be lazy and wind up being kicked.

Now do I need to wait until I get her used to being lunged to ride her? Because I can tack her up and get on her but she refuses to listen to any of my commands except to turn. And that's only if she's already walking.
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    05-25-2009, 09:13 PM
I don't believe there is anything wrong with this horse. It looks very much like a horse that has never had to do anything and simply doesn't want to. Now I could be wrong but she is acting completely disrespectful and I would have a professional work with her for a while to determine if it is just sass or a real training problem.
    05-25-2009, 09:17 PM
I think she is just being a three year old. They don't understand what ANYTHING means. You have to be very patient with them and be very consistent in what you ask. I don't thinkk you need to have lunging perfected before you ride her, in fact I think it would be beneficial to do both. As far as lunging goes I would try to use some voice commands and clucking to see if you can get her to pay attention. More than likely she just doesn't know what the whip means, so she is getting defensive and turning her butt to you. Good luck!
    05-25-2009, 09:27 PM
I can't afford to have a professional work with her, one of my friends was going to help me, he professionally breaks horses, but he's dissappeared off the face of the earth. So what's the proper way to get her to not swing her hips at me. I've done the Join-Up thing and so far so good, she follows me everywhere.

I did go ahead and get on her today, but she didn't want to go forward, I kicked her but all I got was a head turn. Silly horse. Should I try having someone walk her? Or ponying?
    05-25-2009, 09:30 PM
I agree that she is just acting like a three year old and being disrespectful.
How far away from you is she when she turns her hips into you? If you are far enough that you won't get kicked try tickling her with the whip on her bottom feet, make sure that you are at her shoulder though so that she knows that to go forward is the only option. It sounds like she needs a lot more training. Instead of having a constant battle with her everyday, if you are doing this everyday, give her a day off or two and restart. Let her get her mind back.
If she is still acting that she is going to die with the whip try taking a lead line and using it in replacement with of the whip.
    05-25-2009, 09:36 PM
She's 10 feet from me when she does it. I will give her 'til Wednesday then try again. I think I may need a longer whip as well. Mine's more like a crop. So just be consistent with her and see how that works? Other than this I never have a problem with her. She leads fantastic, picks up her feet, loves to be groomed. Although she does hate to be tied, but we're working on that. She's improving.

Thank you all so much for the advice, I really appreciate it. I have another friend who is going to try and come out and help me in a couple weeks. I just don't want my horse to sit there and possibly get worse if I don't work with her. You know what I mean?
    05-25-2009, 10:11 PM
Sounds like a typical baby whos just been told she's got a job, and she's pointing out that she never applied for it
My mare when we very first started out would dig her toes in and not go forward. I got told to turn her and push her forward. It's frustrating, and you have to find the patience within you to wait it out, but she'll soon get sick of going in circles (not to mention so will you )... sometimes it would take 15mins for Honey to take a couple of steps forward, and once she did she was fine... she has a nice big walk on her, so it was just getting her to walk out. Typical "I don't wanna" tantrums.
As for the lunging, the more practise she gets, the better. I'm not sure of her background in lunging, but my horses both had to be taught how to lunge and at first, they don't get it and may react in ways like, "well if I throw my legs around, Mummy will back off and I can go back to eating again." It's important to point out to the horse that this attitude isn't correct, and to demand a form of respect. I'm not saying to chase her around or force her to do it, but as long as she's got the energy to fling her legs at you, she's got the energy to go forward... and that's simply what I'd do, and do to any of my horses, if they want to be rude, I will demand that they work. Simple as.
My mare I recently sold never liked lunging... she'd either rear and spin the other way, or bolt at "imaginary" objects. I figured, if she's got the time to be an idiot, I've got the time to ask her forward. Obviously she was never run into the ground, but she soon learnt that if she actually trotted nicely instead of racing off, the session would end much quicker and she'd in fact, get to go back to her grass. It's about asserting yourself in your position and explaining to your horse that she does have a job now, and she either has two options - to try or to refuse. Please understand that this is a confusing time, and she will test you every bit along the way, but you need to show her that you're there to help her, and give her that confidence she needs.
And don't forget to reward any good behaviour immediately. It makes training so much easier. Honey soon gained confidence quickly and by the time the time we started trotting she was more than ready for it, and cantering was a breeze to teach her, because she trusted that I would help her through it.
Good luck!
    05-25-2009, 11:04 PM
Personally I dislike using traditional lungelines and whips. I like to free-lunge my horses in a round pen, and just carry a long leadrope instead of a whip. It's just as effective, but easier to handle, in my opinion. But if you don't have access to a round pen, or are unable to free lunge, then an alternative to having to carry a whip would be to lunge your horse in a rope halter and long lead, & just use the end of the lead to drive her forward or correct her.
    05-25-2009, 11:26 PM
I have an indoor round pen that I use. What's the difference between free lunging and the normal way? Just without the halter and stuff? Do you have a video? Thanks.
    05-25-2009, 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Crissa    
I can't afford to have a professional work with her, one of my friends was going to help me, he professionally breaks horses, but he's dissappeared off the face of the earth. So what's the proper way to get her to not swing her hips at me. I've done the Join-Up thing and so far so good, she follows me everywhere.

I did go ahead and get on her today, but she didn't want to go forward, I kicked her but all I got was a head turn. Silly horse. Should I try having someone walk her? Or ponying?
You shouldn't get on this horse. If you cannot work her on the ground you don't belong on her back. You need a professional trainer. Very few inexperienced people can break a horse from the beginning. The behavior your horse is showing you can very well get you killed.

You cannot afford NOT to get a trainer. If you cannot afford a trainer then I'd say you sadly cannot afford this horse.

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