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    08-01-2011, 06:43 PM
  #1
Foal
Advice on standing tied?

My 4 yr old mare used to have a lot of problems standing tied, but she reared up in the barn on day and hit her head on the rafters and gave herself and nice little cut from that, and she didn't do it again for several months. Then last month we tied her outside to the hitching post to give her her first "real" bath, and she did it again, rearing, bucking, leaping. I use a rope halter with her, and I know she's a baby and will learn eventually, but until then, any body know any tricks?
     
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    08-01-2011, 08:45 PM
  #2
Green Broke
One thing is important... when she is fighting she should not get free.

That being said, waht the horse needs to learn is to give to the tie and NOT fight. I have read a lot on this and never had a real big issue with a horse that was hurt when tied. Some horses, if they get hurt being tied, will NEVER tie.

That being said, the way I have trained tying is to put a rope around the horses's neck tied with a bowline knot (be sure to get this right as a bowline will NOT slip and strangle the horse). I run the tail of the rop thru the horse's halter ring and take a single wrap around a post, then go to a second post next to the first and tie there with a slip knot. You need to KNOW BOTH KNOTS.

Tie the horse and stay near by and wait. Be prepared to let the slip knot out if the horse gets in trouble.

Another way is to do all the above but instead of tying off on the second post you hold the rope at the second post. If the horse fights, hold steady. The INSTANT the horse gives the rope slack you let go and let the rope slack. Instant reward for putting slack in the rope.

Both ways do involve some danger to you and to the horse. If you have never done this, find someone who has done it successfully and have them help you.

EVERY horse I ever had was both Hobble broke and broke to stand tied. One horse I had to use 3 way hobbles on as she could go as fast habbled as any horse could without hobbles.

Do not tie AND hobble a horse. Ever.
     
    08-01-2011, 10:12 PM
  #3
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Elana
Why do you have the rope tied around the neck and then run through the halter ring as opposed to a normal lead line which is snapped into the halter, or a ropeleadline that is tied into a rope halter? Your method is intrigueing.

just today I was visiting a friend who;s horse was tied and eating from a hay net, and was standing about 4 feet behind him looking for hip irregularities (lameness inquiry) when he suddenly , without any obvious stimula, started to pull backward in a panic, nearly sitting on his butt. Naturally, I was backing away from him so fast it was amazing! The owner could not get in fast enough to pull the slip knot, but she was finally able to get his mind out of the panic with "whoa, whoa" and such. I had never seen a hrose pull so suddenly and so violently. She said she just deals with it by being nearby to undo the knot. H m m m. . . That sounds a bit odd. But I did not say anything.
     
    08-02-2011, 01:04 AM
  #4
Foal
I used to have a horse that would suddenly and for no apparent reason at all, pull back violently when he was tied. Some days he was fine, and some days he would break halters lead ropes, hitching posts...it was dangerous. It got to the point where I wouldn't tie him for saddling, because I was afraid he would pull back while I was near him and accidentally hurt me. I was also uncomfortable with leaving him tied when I could not see him (rodeos, etc.) Horses can easily injure themselves by pulling back. I have even heard of horses who have broken their necks and died. What really helped me was something called a Blocker Tie Ring. Basically, you tie your horse to the tie ring and when he pulls back hard enough, he is able to pull some slack through the rope. (You may need a longer lead rope in order to ensure that your horse can't pull all the rope through and get loose.) This relieves his natural fear of being trapped, but the don't get the release until they give to the pressure. Once the horse stops pulling back,the pressure on his head will release and he will learn that in order to make the pressure go away, he need to stop pulling. I used one with my horse and after the first few days he stopped pulling back. IMPORTANT: make sure your mare knows how to properly give to pressure before you tie her. Try this. Stand in front of her about 8 feet away and pull firmly and steadily on the lead rope. If her first reaction is to throw he head up and fight/back up, she is not ready to be tied.

Here is a link to the Blocker website. It has a lot more information on how the tie ring works. - Blocker Ranch, Inc
     
    08-02-2011, 09:28 AM
  #5
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Elana
Why do you have the rope tied around the neck and then run through the halter ring as opposed to a normal lead line which is snapped into the halter, or a ropeleadline that is tied into a rope halter? Your method is intrigueing.


I hesitated to answer this at all because I figured there would be those who would argue and my answer was not without danger. That being said, a horse will break a snap or a halter ring quick as can be. Now you have just taught the horse that pulling back WILL get him loose.. and each time he will pull back with greater violence.

By using a neck rope you have eliminated that possiblility. This was how everyone I knew trained a horse to tie back in the dinosaur days. Fact is, I NEVER tie a horse by the lead rope and snap. I ALWAYS use a neck rope. That is my advice to this day.. to never tie a horse by a snap into the halter. Always use a neck rope and run it thru the halter ring.

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just today I was visiting a friend who;s horse was tied and eating from a hay net, and was standing about 4 feet behind him looking for hip irregularities (lameness inquiry) when he suddenly , without any obvious stimula, started to pull backward in a panic, nearly sitting on his butt. Naturally, I was backing away from him so fast it was amazing! The owner could not get in fast enough to pull the slip knot, but she was finally able to get his mind out of the panic with "whoa, whoa" and such. I had never seen a hrose pull so suddenly and so violently. She said she just deals with it by being nearby to undo the knot. H m m m. . . That sounds a bit odd. But I did not say anything.
Some horses will panic. IF they get loose breaking equipment, the are reinforced and next time it will be worse. Getting him loose AFTER he calmed down was fine. He learned to come forward and that would result in the release.

The next post referring to the Blocker is a good one as well. It also points out the pre tying training... and points up the dangers.

IMO every horse needs to learn how to stand tied and that education needs to happen when they are very very small. It is so much easier.
     

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