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        09-19-2012, 08:07 PM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by DRichmond    
    How strange that he behaves all right when you ride him but on the ground he's so different. His behavior with the other mares that you described, I wonder if he's a cryptorchid.

    Does he behave the same way with other people? If so, do you notice whether he behaves that way with men or not, or with other women or not?

    Presuming he does this to everyone, I have what might be a weird idea but if you think it's worth a try...every time he turns round when you're close to him to try to bite, instead of reacting with dominance and aggression in response (I know the usual way is usually appropriate but it sounds like in this case he needs a different tactic), I would have a pocket full of treat weapons ready LOL and if you can be quick and on your toes every time he pulls his nasty tough guy act, move into him with your body right next to his neck and semi-under his head so he can't get at you, stay next to his skin and give him lovin, rubbing his face here and there. In other words, doing the exact opposite of what he's been expecting from you. Throw in an occasional treat, and basically ignore his antics but give him the exact opposite behavior he's trying to instigate with you ;)

    Aggression is almost always fear-based, so being next to his skin is horse language for "I am here and you are safe." Move in, not away. Bring yourself close to him, don't push him away or threaten and such.

    Watch, it'll confuse him for awhile, and he'll no doubt test you, but if you stay consistent and don't give him what he's learned to expect, I think it'll work. Eventually he may mellow out with the mares too.

    I know it sounds entirely crazy, but I've had it work, so hopefully it'll work for you too. You just gotta be quick, always quick, and consistent.

    As for any future reprimands, if he gets over the biting and such, it may be best to simply ignore him instead of get cross with him if he regresses at any time.
    Yes, I was immediately thinking he might be a rig or a crypt, can't remember but one has a testicle that didn't descend and one has a tiny portion of gland left over from being gelded that was missed. Hmmm I'm rusty with this stuff, someone correct me if Im wrong
         
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        09-20-2012, 06:10 PM
      #32
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    I haven't read any responses yet, but I've dealt with more than a few horses like this. I find hitting them is usually just asking for a fight. In fact I have a pony that the more you hit him the more violent he becomes - even one trainer who hit him until he was backed, crouched into a corner licking and chewing in submission - as soon as the trainer turned to leave the pony had two hooves and teeth on him before he could take a deep breath. Luckily there were a number of people around.

    My solution for this pony was this:
    First off, I needed to make it horribly uncomfortable for him to have his mouth anywhere near me. So while he was standing being fine, but I could see in his eyes he's thinking about being naughty I grab his nose and rub hard on each nostril, just rub him up and down really fast. He usually just backs up and tosses his head up - that's a GOOD response, he got out of my space. Of course that doesn't stop him from coming back. If he actually a bite, I grab and pinch a chunk of skin, usually on the side of his neck and I squeal, high pitch and loud! This is the equivalent of another horse biting him back and squealing harder. Of course if this horse is at liberty in an open field that would NOT be a good option, as he could easily swing around and kick you. Even a horse submitting to another horse may run away and toss a defiant little kick. So only attempt this if he's well under control, in a stall with you on the other side of the door, or on a lead under control, or tied. Do Not EVER pull an ear! Ears and eyes are off limits, I assume you know that but I'm putting that in there for any random someone on the internet who may read what I wrote as meaning you should twist their ears off.
    Then, after squealing and biting him back, that's good you made your point, biting is bad. But now you need to teach him not only was he bad but you are in charge.
    Now I would reinforce all of his ground work, fast and furious. Making him back up, making him yield his hind end, front end, side pass. Make him dance until he's submitting. Any act of aggression should be met with more work, any attempts at biting should be met with a bigger 'bite'.

    I don't find using tools to work well, even whips, they make the point, but they make the point that you're defenseless without the tool.
         
        09-20-2012, 08:18 PM
      #33
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    Originally Posted by Poco1220    
    Another thing to try would be a small umbrella. You
    Could mostly tuck it away and when he goes for you open it quickly. A bright umbrella "jumping" open at him just migh scare him enough to step back long enough for you to regain control.
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    Poco, I've got to respectfully disagree with that suggestion because it'd be a shame to create a fear of umbrellas that could later become a problem, say at an outdoor show. I knew a "trainer"once who used a brolly in a similar fashion to 'scare' her horse into listening-then watched her sit out any outdoor show where it might rain as the horse just lost his mind whenever he saw an umbrella. Just sayin'

    I can't add anything else to the OP's question, except that when in doubt get a trainer to help out...
         

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