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    05-06-2012, 03:20 PM
  #11
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Using a round pen correctly is an art and a science. There are probably 100 ways to do it wrong for every right thing you can teach. I am now seeing so many problems in horses that come totally from misuse of a round pen that I am not sure any more just how much value they have. I know a little knowledge on how to use one is dangerous. I do not think you can learn how to use one from a DVD or from going to a demonstration. Like everything else we do to teach horses, feel and timing are everything and how and when to apply pressure and how and when to release it is not a quick, easy teach. Something has gone drastically wrong with the application of pressure by the OP.

I have always maintained that round pens are for people and not for horses. There is nothing that you have to have one for. Good interactions with any horse are rewarded with good behavior from the horse. When a horse starts becoming more difficult and his behavior is going downhill, the person 'working' the horse or the methods are to blame.

More horses have people problems than people having horse problems.
     
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    05-06-2012, 05:35 PM
  #12
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This is the reason I do not like round pens, you have little control over the horse.
I would use a lunge line and a correct lungeing caveson that way you have control from his nose and he will not be able to turn his backside to you and you have control over his pace.
I would also have a lunge whip.
     
    05-11-2012, 03:05 PM
  #13
Foal
Smile Thanks Everyone!

Thank you so much everyone for your advice and helpful suggestions!!
I will try your ideas and let you know how they work out. Does anyone know a good traner in Southwest Missouri? I think I need some professional help and would greatly appreciate someone with more knowledge than me:)
Blessings to you all!
Cowgirl4HIM
     
    05-11-2012, 04:29 PM
  #14
Foal
I'm new to this forum, but had the same issue with my young mare that I rescued last Halloween. Pinny ears, bucking and kicking that I did not deal with aggressively enough eventually turned into a full blown charge, mouth open, ears pinned flat, which took me by surprise and after dodging her charge, I left the round pen until I felt brave enough to go back in with her to halter her and take her back to the barn.

About a week later and some researching under my belt, I sucked it up and took her back to the round pen and Voila! The very 1st thing she did was charge me after 1 trip around the pen, snaking her head, pinning her ears and bucking. This time, instead of running away from her, I side-stepped her as she got close and rapped her VERY sharply on the neck/shoulder, she went back to the edge, went about 1/2 lap and came in at me again, this time gave me about 8 feet, so I stepped into her and rapped her again hard on the neck/shoulder. The 3rd charge wasn't even close to me, but still hugely disrespectful, so I ran in and got her again and moved her feet good for a couple of laps. That was the last charging incident I had with her and largely our sessions now are mostly going very well, although she has her "lazy" days when she's less than enthusiast at 1st, but always willing and energetic before I quit her.
     
    05-22-2012, 04:03 PM
  #15
Foal
So many Valid points in this thread. I am really surprised though that no one has asked the size of this round pen. It is an important issue.

If your round pen is too small, for your horse then he is going to run the rail. Or he is not going to understand the difference of pressure or release.

I have worked with a lot of horses that have learned behaviors from their owners when I was managing a boarding stable. I have seen it all. I have seen people poking their horse with nails to get them use to getting shots, from those that were so babied that the had no idea what pressure was, and they had no clue what to do with it. I really want to stress consistency, and releasing pressure when you get what you want. I believe more than anything that you should not let your horse get away with something. I also know that with out the release of pressure at the right time you are going to create a sour attitude in your horse.

I do not think a better training statement has been made then :

Be as soft as possible, as firm as necessary and always notice the slightest try.
     
    05-22-2012, 06:22 PM
  #16
Foal
I don't understand why you are using a round pen anyway...you're horse seems to be very compliant and respectful in-hand.
     
    05-22-2012, 06:51 PM
  #17
Started
Hi,
No knowing much about your situation or your horse, I would have to agree with Cherie on this. I have a great trail horse that I get along great with and meets all my trail riding needs. If you put her in a round pen she turns into a she-devil. I don't know what happened to her in the round pen her "trainer" used but it was not good. You can lunge her and ground drive her (heck you can ride her through a 24 hour burned out forest fire) but don't put her in the round pen.
If you horse can lunge or the behavior you seek is something you can accomplish without using the round pen I would give that a try. I think you have to be careful with round pens because the balance between pressure and release is so quick and fine. You can miss that moment and frustrate the horse. Its not much but that's my two cents.
     
    05-23-2012, 07:12 AM
  #18
Foal
I love the theory on round pens and watching it done on TV by pros its a magical moment when a fearful or V aggressive horse "joins up" and starts to be repectful and trusting. However I never realised until I started on this forum that so many people use them in the "back yard" and I agree with many of the above posts that they can easily cause harm.
I would'nt feel "qualified" to use those techniques even if we did use rounds pens widely in the UK. I think it looks to easy in demonstrations, nothing with horses that's worth it is ever that easy!!
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    05-23-2012, 11:25 AM
  #19
Weanling
I don't believe that round pens are a necessity for training. I have never used one and I don't feel that I will ever need to use one. I don't know anyone else who has or uses one either. The only thing I could see using one for is for turning a horse out that is on restricted/limited turnout, it could be useful for that purpose.

I agree that they are being overused and unnecessarily used and that most people probably aren't using them correctly when they do use them and this is causing more problems than if they aren't used at all.
     

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