Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian View Post
THow many successful professional trainers do you see using treats to get results? And by successful, i mean successful in competition or get paid to ride horses for people who use them successfully in competition. I'm talking about people who make a living training real horses. Not trick horses. The clicker fad is just a trend that appeals to novices.
I've answered this question several times, a quick google search can show you several lists of professional, competitive riders who use Clicker Training and many more are rising.
Here's my quote from the last time I answered this:
A quick google search on professional riders who use clicker training found me this, from a professional clicker trainer:
"I know Jane Savoie uses clicker training some, and if you have
Facebook, you can see this photo of Sue Blinks doing target work with
Flim Flam Facebook
Also, Beezie Madden has used it with her show jumpers.
Most of these people were introduced to it via Shawna Karrasch, who
Uses it a bit differently, in some respects than Alex does. Most of
These upper level riders use it to sort our trouble spots in their
Training, rather than incorporating it into everything they do. Still
It lends the technology a bit of credibility.
As to people claiming it's only parlour tricks..... well, that shows
They don't understand the concept. Alex has found ways to use it to
Truly transform horses, and I use it as physiotherapy with some of
Mine. We can thank Kay Laurence for the concept of Microshaping, which
Alex took even further, and can benefit many horses.
Conventional training, and the goals and values that govern it assume
That the horse MUST be in a bridle to achieve collection, to learn
Lateral work, etc. Alex has shown us that shaping a horse to balance
His body is no different than shaping a dolphin to swim through a
Hoop. It can be done without physical manipulation. When training
Exclusively with negative reinforcement and punishment, in the form of
Rein contact, rider weight and rider legs, one doesn't have other
Tools available to show the horse how he can organize his body.
Not that my statements will convince the nay-sayers.... Most of us
Find we are best off making our point by example, rather than arguing
About it. We simply thank people for informing us we are crazy, then
Carry on with our craziness, improving our horses and ourselves.
Eventually, the people notice our horse is actually doing pretty well,
Or else they have moved on and forgotten about us completely.
Cindy M (who worked for six months under the skeptical eye of her
Husband... then he finally announced that my "problem horse" had
Become the best one in the barn to handle.)"
As well as
There are lots of great people out there who use clicker training. You mentioned Steffan Peters. There is also Beezie Patton-Maddon, Sue Blinks, Jane Savoie. All of these are Olympic Riders. And they are not in the closet about clicker training. Ruth Hogan Paulson has also used clicker training.�
Two years ago, a student of Jane's came to our farm because she was afraid of her horse. In the course of a weekend, I taught her more about clicker training. She went on to be a super team mate for her horse and was accepted into Steffan Peter's NEDA clinic last year. And I might add they looked "Mav-o-lous"
So, don't worry about what's being said. Those are the ones who just don't know.�
Along with the people on this list there are some 2700 on the yahoo group Clickryder. And Equine Clicker Trainer Shawna Karrasch has 4739 friends on facebook.�
That is a list of several professional, successful riders in different sports who use CT.
One of my favorite competitive riders who uses clicker training is Gergia Bruce, here's a video of her and her horse (both reining and dressage as well as some cute tricks) - using a variety of different tack and lack there of ;) and even working two horses at once!