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        03-27-2013, 11:00 AM
      #141
    Yearling
    Loosie-I appreciate that you're not into competition. I really do get that. And I also respect your diplomatic approach to discussing these subjects. Always see both sides.

    Things may be different in Australia. But here the NH clinicians can't keep from making cute comments about traditional training. They make it seem like some horrible cruel torture system. In truth, the good hands I know (and I try to do the same), use very easy to understand pressure and release techniques and are just as easy with a horse as the NH people.

    So that's why I would like to see these clinicians put their money where their mouth is and enter up in the event of their choice. Reining, cutting, reined cowhorse. Show those guys how its done. Most wont, too much on the line and they wouldn't be able to preach to their followers how much better they are if they get beat.

    As far as the shoeing comment, I never "preach shoes as the be-all and discount every conceivable con". I've even said some of mine are barefoot. (Right now only one is shod) I've also said that roughly half my work was shoeing, the other half trimming. So if that was aimed at me, you might be twisting things a little
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        03-27-2013, 11:11 AM
      #142
    Yearling
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        03-27-2013, 11:17 AM
      #143
    Trained
    OP, how is the stallion's training progressing?
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        03-27-2013, 05:06 PM
      #144
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian    
    So that's why I would like to see these clinicians put their money where their mouth is and enter up in the event of their choice. Reining, cutting, reined cowhorse. Show those guys how its done. Most wont, too much on the line and they wouldn't be able to preach to their followers how much better they are if they get beat.

    As far as the shoeing comment, I never "preach shoes as the be-all and discount every conceivable con". I've even said some of mine are barefoot. (Right now only one is shod) I've also said that roughly half my work was shoeing, the other half trimming. So if that was aimed at me, you might be twisting things a little
    To the first para, yes! Bring it on, I say! Not just 'naturals' either that I reckon should put their money where their mouth is. A few years ago they did a 'way of the horse' comp at Equitana here, generally a 'natural' event, but one 'normal' trainer decided to have a go - failed dismally! Later in the day when the others were riding their horses, he still hadn't managed to catch his!

    Second para, no, not at all meaning to say you come across like that at all, just using it as an eg. I really respect the way you seem to be quite objective about that subject & it surprised me your last post here sounded rather... spikey! But perhaps we both hit eachother's nerve, by the sound of things
         
        03-27-2013, 06:47 PM
      #145
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    To the first para, yes! Bring it on, I say! Not just 'naturals' either that I reckon should put their money where their mouth is. A few years ago they did a 'way of the horse' comp at Equitana here, generally a 'natural' event, but one 'normal' trainer decided to have a go - failed dismally! Later in the day when the others were riding their horses, he still hadn't managed to catch his!
    We're too far apart in our ideas of legit trainers ma'am. Later in the day he was still trying to catch his horse? Really? In a roundpen I guess? This wasn't a trainer then, it was a kid or some chingchong. I will say this, in the states a normal trainer is wasting their time going to one of these colt petting contests. Because the second you use a technique that isn't in the NH handbook, they'll boo you out of the building. Its a house full of nh people.

    All the pros I've ever known would make pretty quick work of catching a wild one in a little round corral. Mostly because they broke a lot of colts before they learned how to train.
         
        03-27-2013, 11:15 PM
      #146
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian    
    We're too far apart in our ideas of legit trainers ma'am. Later in the day he was still trying to catch his horse? Really? In a roundpen I guess? This wasn't a trainer then, it was a kid or some chingchong.
    Well... I don't know what a chingchong is, but sounds like a good lable for the guy IMO! Wasn't at all saying I thought him a good trainer(in the least!) but he is an experienced professional one. He's actually a 'performance horse' trainer, from a training establishment that has a pretty good rep.... Albeit he wasn't the founder of the establishment & it's rep does seem to be going downhill somewhat in recent years.... & they've turned out some 'push button' but stressy, 'uncatchable' horses.... Won't name names or mention relationships because that may give names away, but the term 'coat tails' might give you an idea why he's got the rep but obviously(unless he was having a real bad day) not the skill.
         
        03-28-2013, 04:22 AM
      #147
    Green Broke
    Sorry but if the trainer couldnt catch a colt in a round pen then it wasnt a decent trainer.
    Heck Any decent trainer worth thier salt round here would have a completly wild pony, broken, kid safe and in the county show ring within 6 weeks here. It would be caught within 5 mins and headcollar on shortly there after.
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        03-28-2013, 07:38 AM
      #148
    Foal
    That sounds like one of those horses you cannot beat with tricks or methods - with such a strong animal there is only one way and that is REAL leadership - based on authentic natural authority, and that can never be achieved through any horsey trainer education but only by very serious personal development. And such a horse will rather die than letting himself humiliate so much to lie down in front of a human being who he does not deeply respect. And you can't beat it into them either (hope no one thinks about that as an option!). Poor lad - sounds like there probably aint much hope for him in the world he was born into :( - if he finally ends up giving in he will just be a mountain of functioning flesh, and if he doesn't I guess he will be at the end of his road... but perhaps better physically dead than mentally killed.
         
        03-28-2013, 08:25 AM
      #149
    Green Broke
    DKnatura, unfortunatly you are anthromorphising horses and show how little you actualy understand of how the equine brain works.

    Horses do not understand the concept of humiliation and thier concept of respect is different.

    Horses will not volentarily lie down infront of a person unless they feel safe that is very different from respect. On the floor they are at thier most vulnerable to predators and they cannot get up quickly, hence most horses will not stay lieing down when a person who they do not feel safe with is around.

    Lieing a horse down will not turn him into a robot, it will teach him that even at his most vulnerable humans will not hurt him and it is safe to put his trust in this person. Once they trust humans again then respect for the leader of the herd (i.e the Human) will follow very quickly.
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        03-28-2013, 11:19 PM
      #150
    Banned
    So any update? Nothing?
         

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