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post #11 of 153 Old 03-10-2013, 11:10 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Sharpie View Post
I agree with Shoebox- while you didn't accomplish what you were planning on, just getting him to go in and out of the stall properly is huge. Especially huge given what you've told us of his personality and responses. So while it wasn't your plan, sometimes you have to be flexible, and you still got a 'win' in. Keep at it. Keep pushing him and being consistent and I bet he will finally decide to give it. Once you get that, he will have a chance to learn how much easier life is if he lets you be in charge and you'll be on the way to the right path.

I hope you will keep updating us on him- I am always interested in these tough cases. Do you think horses like this ever become relaxed enough to be handled by 'average' competent horse people, or will he always need a very skilled handler? Or can you even venture a guess at this point?

My honest opinion is that people who keep stallions should know how to manage stallions. I have three intact boys on my farm . I can walk them all around mares in season WITHOUT chains. they are WELL BEHAVED! HOWEVER... they don't naturally act like gentleman. They constantly need reminded of their brains and you cannot ever let your guard down around a stallion because they think with one thing only!

This particular horse has had three long years of being spoiled and allowed to get his way. Im guessing the owners think its cute when they give him treats and reward train him.. and than one day he was big.. and thinking with his you know what. They tried to get him to do one thing.. and he wanted to do another. Reared.. lunged... struck... and learned he got away with it. Fast forward to today. He is a 1000 lb animal and KNOWS IT.

I think these are the WORST kind of horses and the most dangerous kind. Owners spend years nursing these problems and expect trainers to work miracles with them.

Do I think this horse can be made to respect humans. YES.

Do I think that without reform from his owners though will he go right back to his old ways? YES!

I can go leaps and bounds with a horse.. but if the owner does not change the issues that brought that horse to this point... they will go directly back to what they know. This horse since he was allowed to get to this point will probably always need to be reminded who is boss.

He is with me for 60 days for "saddle breaking" but I swear I can never get a horse in that JUST needs saddle breaking.. they are always terrors! LOL
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post #12 of 153 Old 03-10-2013, 11:15 PM
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Did the owners phone you the next day & ask if you are riding him yet?
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Originally Posted by waresbear View Post
Did the owners phone you the next day & ask if you are riding him yet?

LMFAO! you know they always do! Honestly unless a horse has amazing ground manners I don't even GET ON THEM in the first 30 days. And I have YET to get a horse in with great ground manners.
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post #14 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 01:08 AM
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I hope you charge them for combat pay.
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post #15 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 02:05 AM
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Awe but he's so darn cute, he deserves cookies and treats and snuggles and how dare you do anything to hurt his poor feelings. D:

Subbing because even though I would get that horse off my property in record speed, I hope you update us with progress.
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post #16 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 03:08 AM
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Just bend the horse and keep him bent laterally, he will go down (it can take some minutes.)
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post #17 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 03:24 AM
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He's had three years to fall to this point (no pun intended), he's going to need a lot of time to climb back up again. I think, even if it was a little, you've still made progress in this one day... He's probably been the macho center of attention for such a long time that it's hard for him to just give in.
It's sad to know that he's going to go back to these people after you whip some sense into him. Are they definitely going to sell him after training, or is it more of a 'we want to sell him, but let's send him to training first and see what happens' type of thing?
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post #18 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 05:37 AM
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I'm sorry but the only way you are getting anywhere is 3 or more hours to tire him out?

All you are doing is building up his endurance.

Not getting points across, just tiring him out.

I don't see this ending well.

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post #19 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 08:40 AM
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Nothing to add as I know you getting far better advice from people far more qualified, subbing.

Stop for a minute, open your mind, learn. You may not agree with what I say, I may not agree with what you say but we will both learn something new.
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post #20 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostwindAppaloosa View Post
I got in a 3 year old Appy stallion for training a few days ago.
Have his eyes been checked?
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