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post #31 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by mls View Post
He doesn't have to be blind to have vision issues. The not wanting to walk into stall throws up a big red flag for me.

Its not just any stall its ONE stall. He previously would walk into any stall in my barn high or low ceiling EXCEPT the one he is supposed to be in (which is identical to three other stalls he had no issue walking into. The stall is well lit.
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post #32 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag View Post
For one thing I think your attitude may be playing in to this, which he picks up on. You may be coming across as a predator and there's no way he's going to go down and let you eat him.

LOL I doubt this. I am the most calm person in a situation you will ever see. Even with his adverse behavior I stay call and tell again. Im not aggressive but I am assertive.

Either way. This horse a serious case of bad boy and he will leave without it.
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post #33 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 06:48 PM
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Baby steps. I remind myself often, they didnt read my lesson plan. They dont know how it was supposed to go down (literally, in this case). Good luck with him. Give him another day or 2 and i bet hes on the ground :)
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You could send the horse back home and change careers. I think that would be my plan.

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post #35 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 07:25 PM
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How long does he stay in the other stalls vs his. What about the horses on either side - are they emitting negative energy that he's sensing. The best way to get a horse to do something is to create a situation whereby he wants to do it. This is where a person has to get creative. Here's an example. Dreaded fly spray. As long as the horse stood still while I sprayed water well to my side, he got a treat. Working in increments the spraying gradually got closer. When it barely touched his leg, he departed (he was at liberty) three or four strides, stopped, turned to face me and stood for oh, 20 seconds. I think he was trying to figure out how to get the treat. He approached me. I started again only with larger increments and within half a minute I'd sprayed him all over and gave him his treat. He could have left at any time but it was his decision to stay. Since that day he's always been easy to spray.
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Show them this video and explain that if he was 'stud worthy' he wouldn't be in this position.

I'd like to see how this ends up...Keep us up to date! (:

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post #37 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAQHAGirl View Post
Show them this video and explain that if he was 'stud worthy' he wouldn't be in this position.

I'd like to see how this ends up...Keep us up to date! (:

Holy SH!T! I rarely flinch at vidoes but my jaw hit the floor during this one.


Ghostwind, give him time. He's a fighter. He'd rather die than lose. He's got that "wild" demeaner that would save his life on the prarie, but could very well be the death of him in captivity. I had the great fortune of working with a stallion like this once and though he was dangerous and frustrating, he taught me more things as a trainer than all my other little training horses did.

You made progress with him today. Not all horses go down on their first try. Persistance pays off in the end. Make a personal journal and log any and every accomplishment. Sometimes on the harder horses we get discouraged because they aren't like everyone else's and they aren't progressing as fast. But they ARE progressing, just in small steps. These horses are most rewarding when the lightbulb finally clicks on in their heads and they turn around.

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Wow, that is one scarey video. I would march to my house, get the gun and shoot that horse right then and there. Nice to hear that the lady in the video said the same thing.

But, to the OP, I think you have years of undoing to do and laying down was just too much to ask in this particular situation. As has been pointed out, you did make some progress. Baby steps working towards the lying down. Unless you saw some behavior to indicate otherwise, I'll bet it'll happen within the next few sessions.

He probably has no idea what is expected of him; he's like a pubescent teen that's never heard of school enrolled in kindergarten class.

I think you won pretty good with the stall issue. Regardless of what/who was around it, you got him in there without blindfolding again. Someone suggested keeping a journal. I think that's a great idea. A bad day might really frustrate you if you can't go back and look at what you started with and the little gains on the good days.

Good luck and keep us posted! :)
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post #39 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 08:44 PM
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OMG That is a beautiful horse! Too bad he has such a bad attitude!
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post #40 of 153 Old 03-11-2013, 11:19 PM
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That video is from Buck Branaman's DVD. It's a really good training vid FYI. Talks about how they used his horse for the movie "The horse Whisperer". FYI.

Anyway...this dude is one I would send home or geld. I'd give the owner those options. If they're trying to sell him, they're not going to get him sold without training and I would refuse to train until he's gelded. That's just me.
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