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        03-12-2013, 11:22 AM
      #51
    Green Broke
    I think there is alot of good advice.

    I have no problem with laying down a horse, in fact my mare had to be at one point. I agree its only for the worst cases. I think there is not much point in restating what has already been said, so I will just say, stay safe and be careful, and have some simpathy. The horse didnt't turn himself into this, his owners did.
         
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        03-12-2013, 11:51 AM
      #52
    Green Broke
    Holy crap on that video! I had Hunter charge at me like that when he was 2 (although he didn't actually get me) scared the crap outta me.

    We have a stallion at our barn, nice enough but nothing special. I asked the owner why she doesn't geld him and she said it was so she can say she trained a stallion. OMG she doesn't even train it she has someone else doing it.

    Good luck with this guy
         
        03-12-2013, 12:20 PM
      #53
    Banned
    I find that horses reaction in that video of BB very similar to this horses reaction.....however this poor fellow was the target of rock throwing etc....but note the similarity in response. The horse was pushed into 'fight or die' mode:

         
        03-12-2013, 12:56 PM
      #54
    Foal
    Subbing.

    I'm not a horse trainer, but I do know A LOT about learned behaviors and behavioral psychology.

    When a behavior is being extinguished, the behavior gets worse before it gets better. This is well-documented in the literature.

    So small steps need to be acknowledged. You are trying to extinguish (correct) well-practiced, well-established behaviors. Absolutely critical to moving forward is acknowledging your small successes.I don't believe that these behaviors can be fixed in one session, but only through many "trials."

    So being aware of whether you are progressing or regressing is absolutely critical to ultimate success.

    (And I am not sure the label of learned helplessness is appropriate here. The lab animals in those experiments were not ever rewarded for appropriate responses, because there was no appropriate response for those situations.)

    Good luck.
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        03-12-2013, 06:41 PM
      #55
    Weanling
    That is the cutest horse I have ever seen.
         
        03-12-2013, 07:43 PM
      #56
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    Wow, that is one scarey video. I would march to my house, get the gun and shoot that horse right then
    Have you seen the film? Might need to shoot the horse, maybe shouldn't actually shoot the owner too, but... Some people!
         
        03-12-2013, 08:13 PM
      #57
    Trained
    No, Loosie, I haven't seen the movie. I don't get out much :) Not sure I'd want to watch it anyway... maybe when I can get it on DVD really cheap at Wal-Mart!
         
        03-12-2013, 08:48 PM
      #58
    Trained
    Watch the movie! Horse being shot was the kindest thing to do. Owner....maybe the same....who in his, or better her, sane mind, keeps more than a dozen stallions around. She has a serious problem
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        03-12-2013, 09:56 PM
      #59
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Kayella    
    While gelding him is the best idea and should definitely be done, he should also get to where he is "safe" around people before getting gelded. The vet and his staff won't want to deal with such an aggressive and unpredictable horse. The horse could get majorly stressed out during the process and become even more reclusive towards humans, and he needs to be exercised and handled daily to reduce swelling and ensure he's healing properly. If I were in your situation, which thank goodness I'm not, I would get him to a "safe" point before approaching the owners about gelding him. That's just me though, so take that with a grain of salt haha.

    There are lots of ways around that. He can be loaded in a trailer and tranqued in it, cattle chute, it's just takes some creativity. The vet does need to be aware of what he is getting himself into and he may need to be trailered to the vet. But it can be done.
         
        03-12-2013, 10:01 PM
      #60
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    No, Loosie, I haven't seen the movie. I don't get out much :) Not sure I'd want to watch it anyway... maybe when I can get it on DVD really cheap at Wal-Mart!
    Do you have Netflix? If you do, it's on there- it's on instant queue.
         

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