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    01-26-2013, 06:39 PM
WHile he doesn't have the greatest flowing stride, he has far more swing in video 2, he is no longer scooting and being hollow backed, he is actually relaxing and coming down. Now given that is only 10 mins between the videos, I think is impressive.

It looks like that is still set on a loose setting? Certainly has helped him work out that transitions wont hurt and he can start to use himself properly. Even more likely to try one now.

Faye, did you consider the Equi Ami or did you go straight for the Pessoa?
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    01-26-2013, 06:44 PM
Green Broke
Went straight for the passoa because neither I nor my instructor have any experiance of the Equi ami.

One thing I would say with the passoa is the first time you put it on do not attach the front untill after you have dropped the breeching strap. Some horses do not react well the first time it is put in place.
    01-26-2013, 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by faye    

One thing I would say with the passoa is the first time you put it on do not attach the front untill after you have dropped the breeching strap. Some horses do not react well the first time it is put in place.
I can imagine, Wills was horrified when I first double lined her it was quite impressive for a minute or two, a good reminder to be careful with new items of kit!
    01-26-2013, 06:53 PM
Green Broke
First time I double lunged Reeco he bolted head first into a wall.
    01-26-2013, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
I have just looked at hock hobbles and the Pessoa is very different!
The breeching strap is no different to having a second line across the hocks or, a breeching strap on a driving horse.

I generally do not like 'quick fixes' but there are times when they can be of help.

Churumbeque - When you have a horse that is set with its head, drags itself along driving it up with the whip is not going to make it use itself correctly, all it is going to do is go faster and just as hollow.

The problem with many of these products is when they are misused by tightening them to much and over use.
I only know from my personal experience. My horse that pulled itself around benifited from being driven up from behind and did not hollow out. You have to train them not to go faster but reach further.
    01-26-2013, 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by faye    
I love the passoa system and have used it to great effect on a young horse wgho needed to learn not to panic in the transition to canter and to balance himself properly. It enabled us to hang on to him when he paniced

This is him relaxing in the passoa

PB040133 - YouTube
PB040132 - YouTube

This is him panicing (so you can see why we couldnt hold him
PB040134 - YouTube

Not everlyone has the skill to use double longreins and the passoa takes away the error from it.
The Passoa does not Force anything, it encourages but if the horse wants to trail along with its hocks out then it can

Hock hobbles have no give in them, thus you are essentialy tieing the mouth down and to the back legs and the horse gets hit in the mouth hard every time the hock goea back.

The aim of the passoa is not to force the head down at all, the triangluar nature of the passoa prevents the horse being hit in the mouth (if used correctly) and a horse can easily and safely move its head up and down and stretch into a contact.

I've met top dressage trainers who love passoas for young horses

To answer the OP no it wouldnt work on a noseband as it is designed to engage the hocks and encourage a horse to stretch into a contact without getting socked in the mouth you cannot strtch into a contact unless you have one in the first place and you can't have one in a halter
Just wondering if you are saying this was being used correctly? It was hard to see everything because of the person moving so much taking the video. But I think more prep could be done so the horse didn't panic and when he put his head up to get away it didn't look like he could. Also his head was tipped to the outside instead of bent to the inside.
    01-26-2013, 07:52 PM
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The horse paniced on the transition to canter wether it was in long reins, on the lunge or in the passoa. It started initialy as him reacting to remembered pain (he is just coming back from a fractured pelvis) then he figured actualy doing this gets me out of work.
Up untill I put him in the passoa him bolting like that would happen 2 to 4 times a lesson. Now he doesnt do it at all. In the passoa he ended up pulling against himself which ment that we could habg onto him and make him work.
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    01-27-2013, 06:28 AM
I am no inherently against the pessoa (while I've never used one myself, I've seen friends use it with success), but I really don't equate it to long lining/double lunging. I prefer that method myself as it gives you control over exactly how much pressure is being applied to the bit and, most importantly you can release the pressure immediately should the horse start to become too backed off or scared.
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    01-27-2013, 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by faye    
GotaDun, you are obviously watching something completly different from the rest of us. He is very obviously relaxed in the 2nd video, restriction in the shoulder? Where? No engagement? He has a very good level of engagement for a horse who is only just being broken there is no engagement in the 3rd video at all. I look at the 2nd video from a dressage point of view and see a vast improvement.

Sorry but if you think the quater horse shuffle is appropriate movement then you will be sadly disappointed by a nice warmblood moving properly for his type
I knew you were going to throw the QH comment in there. What I see has nothing to do with QH's or any breed or style for that matter.
    01-27-2013, 09:10 AM
Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
I knew you were going to throw the QH comment in there. What I see has nothing to do with QH's or any breed or style for that matter.
I thought the quarter horse shuffle comment was very immature and I message Terry and uneccassary

bit, bitless, pessoa

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