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        01-27-2013, 12:30 PM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    I thought the quarter horse shuffle comment was very immature and I message Terry and uneccassary
    Auto correct. Meant to say very uneccessary.
         
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        01-27-2013, 12:32 PM
      #32
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    I got a closer look at the system in a magazine. I felt the horse looked constricted in it's neck. I also didn't like how each side was not independant and that it used 1 line. With watching the video's in this post and getting a closer look it doesn't seem to let the horse bend towards the circle but keeps them straight, which is fine going straight but not lunging.
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        01-27-2013, 12:40 PM
      #33
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    I knew you were going to throw the QH comment in there. What I see has nothing to do with QH's or any breed or style for that matter.
    I think Faye is wondering why you can't see the difference in his way of going between the two videos, both she and I can, with our English background, it is reasonable maybe to think that s the difference?
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        01-27-2013, 01:37 PM
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    There is a start of improvement between 1 & 2. The horse is beginning to soften and swing.

    My point would be that Faye needs to learn how to get a metronome working in her head so that she is getting a steady pace. To me the horse is hassled and although a good working trot is wanted, this horse is being hurried out of a natural rhythm. Slower would give him a chance to lower and be looser through the back.

    You would also have a lot more control if you used a lunge cavesson so that you are leading from the front of the nose and not from wherever you are lungeing from. I suspect it was from the bit which is not good.

    Finally, when he gets into a running panic run him into the fence so that you block him as he heads straight to it. Means you have to move fast but it works!
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        01-27-2013, 03:39 PM
      #35
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    Cherumbic, what ever you were looking at wasnt a passoa then. The horse can bend properly through the circle as there is equal pressure on each side (unless you have ajusted it incorrectly)
    You want equal pressure on the mouth because you should not use a bit to create bend bend should come from your leg!

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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    

    You would also have a lot more control if you used a lunge cavesson so that you are leading from the front of the nose and not from wherever you are lungeing from. I suspect it was from the bit which is not good.

    Finally, when he gets into a running panic run him into the fence so that you block him as he heads straight to it. Means you have to move fast but it works!
    With this horse you would have far less control in a cavesson. Lunging from the bit gives you far better finess in signaling the horse, cavessons are fine for a normal horse but not for problem horses. I have always lunged from the bit and most top trainers I know lunge from the bit as well.

    We have tried running him into the fence, he went through the fence doing damage to himself and the fence! This horse is a horse many proffessionals concider rank and have told me to have shot.

    He bolted because he had known nothing but pain whilst being worked. He is a true rescue case who has been so badly abused that he had a fractured pelvis, he was not castrated by a vet and he paniced and ran blind with any form of line anywhere near him.

    So please stop trying to tell me how to work with this horse when believe me we have tried everything with him and this is what works. I have had TOP trainers working with this horse, we started with a top producer who told me to have him shot, we then went to a NH person who wafted a stick at him and backed off when he flipped out, then I took him to melanie watson she is the best in the UK for problem horses and does not come cheap she got him ridden and hacking out but always said he had a problem, weve had him investigated by vets spent over 5k in vets fees alone, found the fractured pelvis and both my vet and melanie suggested a passoa when we brought him back into work. I currently have a rideable pony who has stopped bolting, is beautifully balanced when I'm riding him and is very happy to stretch into a contact.

    The passoa works
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        01-27-2013, 03:43 PM
      #36
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    Originally Posted by faye    
    Cherumbic, what ever you were looking at wasnt a passoa then. The horse can bend properly through the circle as there is equal pressure on each side (unless you have ajusted it incorrectly)
    You want equal pressure on the mouth because you should not use a bit to create bend bend should come from your leg!



    With this horse you would have far less control in a cavesson. Lunging from the bit gives you far better finess in signaling the horse, cavessons are fine for a normal horse but not for problem horses. I have always lunged from the bit and most top trainers I know lunge from the bit as well.

    We have tried running him into the fence, he went through the fence doing damage to himself and the fence! This horse is a horse many proffessionals concider rank and have told me to have shot.

    He bolted because he had known nothing but pain whilst being worked. He is a true rescue case who has been so badly abused that he had a fractured pelvis, he was not castrated by a vet and he paniced and ran blind with any form of line anywhere near him.

    So please stop trying to tell me how to work with this horse when believe me we have tried everything with him and this is what works. I have had TOP trainers working with this horse, we started with a top producer who told me to have him shot, we then went to a NH person who wafted a stick at him and backed off when he flipped out, then I took him to melanie watson she is the best in the UK for problem horses and does not come cheap she got him ridden and hacking out but always said he had a problem, weve had him investigated by vets spent over 5k in vets fees alone, found the fractured pelvis and both my vet and melanie suggested a passoa when we brought him back into work. I currently have a rideable pony who has stopped bolting, is beautifully balanced when I'm riding him and is very happy to stretch into a contact.

    The passoa works
    I am 100 percent sure it is that system and if you look at the videos that you posted your horses not bending it is going straight . For the horse's head and neck to bend to the inside rain needs to be shorter than the outside that is why that system does not work properly . Horse cannot bend its front half if its head is not allowed to do so
         
        01-27-2013, 03:45 PM
      #37
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    And with better quality video I'm sure you could see that of course is not stepping torches midline in that video .
         
        01-27-2013, 04:01 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    horse cannot bend its front half if its head is not allowed to do so
    It should be set loose enough that they can get a bend, as Faye has it.

    I'm still deciding between this and the Equi Ami system, Home just a little different
         
        01-27-2013, 04:09 PM
      #39
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    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    It should be set loose enough that they can get a bend, as Faye has it.

    I'm still deciding between this and the Equi Ami system, Home just a little different
    it is quite obvious in the video that the horses is not bent his head is turned out of the circle I didn't make it up I watched the video . And I didn't think the rein's looked lose either
         
        01-27-2013, 04:15 PM
      #40
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    No you want equal pressure which is why side reins should always be equal. You create bend by riding from your inside leg to your outside rein. If you are useing your inside rein what you are doing is createing a crooked horse who is bending thier neck and nothing more
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