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post #1 of 11 Old 11-11-2013, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
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Am I doing this right??

I posted on here earlier about my horse rowdy not standing while grooming. For the past few days I have made him move as soon as he takes a step or moves his feet while grooming. I make him back up really fast then walk him at a fast pace. I then take him back and start grooming again. He seemed to catch on after four times and stands good most of the time he is still testing and so he gets to work. Was this the correct way to do this?
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post #2 of 11 Old 11-11-2013, 06:25 PM
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I am going to say yes good job, you did the right thing. He will still test you like you said, but keep being consistent and times you have to move his feet will get fewer and fewer.
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post #3 of 11 Old 11-11-2013, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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I have to say I don't know who was more ready to stop me or him as I'm outta shape lol. I was so tired by the end and my arms hurt from making him back but I refused to let him win even if I had to make my poor legs keep moving. Lol at this rate shouldn't take me long to get back into shape😀
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post #4 of 11 Old 11-11-2013, 07:38 PM
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I took the more casual approach and just corrected my horse when he moved from where I placed him. So if he took 3 steps forward, I backed him 3 steps. If he moved sideways, I put him back straight.

Now he stays put for the most part.
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post #5 of 11 Old 11-11-2013, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
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I tried doing that but it didn't work would loved it it had though:)
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post #6 of 11 Old 11-12-2013, 06:28 AM
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Making a horse move when standing still is what you want is counterproductive.

I tell horse to get on its feet, or to plant those feet, or stay...some type of verbal correction, and if have to, will get a hold of halter and give it a shake.

I am not going to back one, or anything like that. Horse is to stand still where I tell it too, and not anywhere else.

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post #7 of 11 Old 11-12-2013, 08:08 AM
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I think the object here is to think about how to control the horse's feet. I like what you are doing. You can do even more in the round pen. You want still? He wants to move? OK horse.. move and I mean MOVE. Stopping and standing becomes the reward.

BTW I trained horses for a long time. Other than a long low word to calm or fast repetitive noises to make them move faster, most of my training was in silence.

Horses are not verbal creatures. Humans are. You can eventually make an association to a word (and I have done that) but for the most part the clearest communication is body language and movement/no movement. Constantly yanking a halter to get a horse to stand is just nagging them. Nagging the nag is annoying and they may react after awhile by being WORSE. Controlling the feet and getting stopping to be a reward is much more effective.

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post #8 of 11 Old 11-12-2013, 09:11 AM
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Usually, if my horse takes three steps forward, I will back him at least four.
If he moved to the side two steps , then I will move him to the side at least three steps.
My horses stand still while grooming, tacking up, and while I jump on him bareback.

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post #9 of 11 Old 11-13-2013, 12:39 AM
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What on earth are you doing to him that your arms ache?? Sounds like a lot of overkill to get that effect! Agree with Sky & Palomine on the subject of making a horse move because you want him to stand still, for a few reasons.

However, if your horse has 'got it', it sounds like it's basically working. This is just because you've made moving unpleasant(punishment) & he's started to associate this with moving when asked to stand. Instant association is vital & there's no point in continuing the punishment any longer than a couple of seconds past the end of his undesirable behaviour. It's also more effective to focus on teaching & reinforcing the 'Right' behaviour rather than just 'correcting' the 'Wrong' so don't forget to do that too.
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post #10 of 11 Old 11-13-2013, 08:01 AM
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All you have to do is back him up fast then bring him back to the grooming spot. He learns that that's where he gets to rest. No need for the fast walk.
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